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Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 25624

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I think out of the G5 Mane Six, only Hitch and Zipp were born before 2000.

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TheQuietMan
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@river mines
I like pretty much 99% of G5. When the movie first came, I’m intrigued by the idea of the next generation to succeed what Twilight can’t do forever. Sprout is a lovable jerk, Izzy is a rather sensible goofball, Hitch is suave and good at heart, Zipp is just perfect, wanting to know about history and making things right, and Misty is the very epitome of what many would call the most proper redemption in the history of mlp. But in fairness, when she tries to be “evil”, she’s pretty bad at it. So it’s not like she earned any ire in the first place. The villains in g4 were really something else, so understandably reforming them created some mood whiplash. That or funny enough g4 made them and me like the villains more, or to appreciate how nuance a villain can be for no one likes a pathetic or the equivalent of really irredeemable ones like Mesphisto who resembles a caricature of someone we know. And Tirek doesn’t even come close. Episodes? They’re all alright, but maybe Growing Pains and Isle of Scaly for being actual callbacks compared to the many easter eggs because you know, they’re not meant to be significant. Favourite music? Definitely Where’d It Go? Rockin beats and also sounds like it could work as a anime opening. For an episode I don’t like, Mane Smelody, feels like a TYT episode in conjunction with Farty sparking. Though in fairness, g4 never really delved deep into serious progression until the premiere and end so there’s that. And if I hadn’t iterated already, I actually don’t hate tyt as much as now, if because at that time MYM was still ongoing, I’m neutral about what happens in TYT because at least it’s separate from MYM, some elements of some episodes were pretty interesting to see. But that’s what I do like, what I don’t like?
  1. TYT Sweep. I don’t like that it’s taking over all of G5 to the point that they’re erasing anything that doesn’t resemble it’s signature style, it’s even in the comics now and funny enough, they’re still holding on to what idw typically does, if albeit in the TYT style that makes every emotion feel artificial.
  2. Wasted potential. Loads of them. I’m simply disappointed that whenever they seem to do something big, it’s instantly debunked. Sprout could’ve joined the mane 5 but if he did, he wouldn’t be the lovable jerk he is now and Misty would’ve been more an extra character. Comet looked liked he would’ve been the first 7th member. Nope! He’s just Maretime Bay’s tourist. Allura could’ve been as terrifying as Opaline was before her. Nope! Did absolutely nothing even when she does show up. Which makes me wonder like why is she supposedly a villain anyway? If she wanted to escape however she got to the Ridge in the first place, she could’ve ask nicely because she clearly isn’t interested in world domination, just wanting to go home, so like why be scary? She supposedly would be redeemed but when you’re practically doing nothing evil anyway then all she really needs is a psychiatrist. And there’s also using obvious previous gen ideas to build this new world but none of them are utilised. The ones that are selected are simply for convenience in being able to reuse the pony head. And only IDW is the only one doing it because unlike Hasbro, they don’t have an aversion to zebras. And regarding the shows, some characters I feel are underutilised, Hitch really is nothing more than a stepfather to Sparky when he could be both that and super cop. Super dad, super cop, all time guardian. Zipp seems to want to find out more of the past but we get none of it, if anything she’s becoming less interested in this sort of thing, Izzy, well she’s alright, she hasn’t been Pinkiefied which is a good thing, probably won’t last long though the longer it goes. And Sunny, she’s the biggest offender, the movie has no Misty, so she was pretty much the driving force for it. And it wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for her parents discovery of her past. I supposed we imagined that Sunny was supposedly interested in finding out more about the past considering the first 2 issues of IDW because even if that was the intention back in the movie and MYM, they seem to have dropped that aspect. What’s worse is that for being the main character, she hardly gets any development beyond ironically, being The Alicorn. I know there’s an episode about that yet they’re proving the BG ponies in the Bay right, that’s really just who she became. And finally, yes Misty’s flaw is ironically her popularity and over usage, the moment she appears, she outshines the other members in comparison, if anything I feel she suffers from overdevelopment, Misty’s already great, she doesn’t need to be greater if it comes at the expense of others. I feel the writers just forgot that Sunny came first. And finally, I do feel one reason I like g4 was that it’s the adventure aspect it has. G5 has it to some degree but it’s not enough, idw is the only branch keeping that aspect with the 2 current storylines, Milkyway and even Black, White and Green. They can expand their horizons but choose not to. Sure comics now have to adhere to the TYT style strictly to the teeth but story wise it feels like a MYM season 2. Overall I just feel that compared to g4 which deteriorated with over-ambition, g5 could benefit from it. But nah, they want to play it safe. In any case, don’t commit if you can’t.
I think they want to avoid a repeat of “This character learned this lesson they are never allowed to exhibit this character flaw ever again!”
Ouch, now that’s a discussion for another day but I’m on the side where it is okay for characters to make mistakes even after that one event where they supposedly learned a lesson. It’s not like they’re elephants or Elder Flower the Wise but Eccentric. They’re young. But also I understand that for those against that sort of thing, they prefer improvement over flaws than think flaws are unique. I never said flaws were an excuse but they made them more relatable. Hence why I think Sprout’s the best just the way he is.
@CloudMistDragon
You could either not put his name as a reply or you could politely say you have little reasons to dislike about g5.
@Zabilac
We have Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon.
@Icicle Niceicle 1517
Looks like a bootleg Poop Pootis. And China is quite infamous for bootlegs.

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Zabilac

  • I like most of the characters. They’re fun, full of life and I usually like watching the hijinks they get into. On a particular note, Posey is a character I feel G4 should have had. A recurring “mean” character who occasionally shows a kinder, more sympathetic side rather than just a one-shot jerk who’s never seen again after their episode. Also her butt-monkeyness is really funny.
  • Genuine Earth Pony Magic, and not that vague “stronger and more durable than most ponies” stuff.
  • I enjoy most of TYT’s songs, and often listen to them on youtube.
  • I like that the world just “is” rather than being run by ponies. While ponies preparing for winter/fall, Pegasi being able to manipulate the weather, and the Princesses controlling the celestial bodies was really cool. I feel the world is more “natural” rather than being artificially run.
  • While I wouldn’t say it was perfect, Root of Evil was an excellent finale for MYM. I liked how all of the mane six tried to contribute something to Opaline and they didn’t just keel over and let her take their cutie marks. (I mean, I have some issues with how Zipp and Pipp were handled but eh.)
  • Most of the TYT episodes are genuinely amusing and funny. I still think they’d benefit more if they were 10 minutes long instead of 5, but I think they mostly make good with their limited time. I also like that the TYT art style allows for very amusing expressions.

Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 25616

evocov
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@DerpyFast
There’s something fitting in the g5 writers using Twilight and the m6 in the same way that the g4 writers used Celestia and the Pillars. Specifically, just always handwaving that every single mystery or backstory in the setting was the result of some masterplan or action they came upwith or did 1000 years ago. Complete with Celestia/Twilight relying on their successor perfectly understanding the most cryptic and vague set of breadcrumbs they could come up with for conveying their vital instructions.
@Background Pony #23F1
I don’t think that magic is so much ‘stronger’ in G5, as it seems that Hasbro has latched onto Twilight’s handwave that magic ‘changes and evolves’ to justify why each gen’s different writing teams have completely different magic systems and core concepts from each other. Especially now that Hasbro seems crazy enough to want TYT to somehow tie all the early Gens together to 4 and 5, if that cryptic Hall of Elements thing with Sunny getting MEEGEN Megan’s is any indication.

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Background Pony #23F1
@river mines
The “Lore” may be an utter mess, but the characters themselves go a long way to keeping me invested in this gen. Despite the endless story direction problems and continuity errors, the voice actresses are all clearly doing their damndest to keep these characters fun and strong, with Pipp and Zipp being especially huge highlights. If G5’s got one huge positive to it’s predecessor, it’s that the cast and crew care just as much for the characters and want to see them work no matter how many problems Hasbro drags them into.
@DerpyFast
To throw a bone to 5’s mess of a lore, the Sun and Moon issue does seem to be rather easily explained as just Twilight and the m6 finding someway to automate the world in their absence. The whole “Unity Crystals are Conduits to the Tree of Harmony ‘Togetherness’ “ and stuff like the Automated Weather Factories have been consistently implying that Twilight saw the magical dark age coming and went to Fallout Equestria level planning and backup planning to ensure Equestria would survive far into the future. How she somehow successfully foresaw absolutely everything about Sunny and all is an annoying mystery though.
“ - the Sun and Moon issue does seem to be rather easily explained as just Twilight and the m6 finding some way to automate the world in their absence - “
It is a good logical speculation. We’ve learned a lot about how magic is in the MLP world through G5 lore; we now know that there are several layers of magic in everyday life.
The internal (inactive) magic all living creatures generate and then the external (active) magic that allowed creatures do magic. Only the ponies’ magic was deactivated probably for three to four generations, without this reducing the ponies’ standard of living. They still had magnetic hooves and cutie marks on them based on their talent and could have extra body parts like wings on them. This is inactive magic from within, which could not be deactivated no matter how much is done. Only the active magic - spells, telekinesis, flight, and the use of magic outside the creature’s body - was turned off.
Already in G4 it was learned by Tirek personally that there is a difference between magic from living beings and magic from material objects such as medallions, crystals and artifacts. He couldn’t steal “dead” magic when he could only absorb magic from living beings. Opaline has the same procedure. Already in the ANG movie it was discovered that the Unity Crystals had never lost their magic, with an intelligence that is emphasized several times until now.
So when the magic stopped working because the Unity Crystals were separated for too long by the guardians not remembering what to do, only the active magic disappeared. The unliving magic and inner magic remain untouched. This is underlined by the discovery of the Automated Weather Factories in TYT. Automation technology seemed to have been developed long before magic disappeared, and it was possible during Twilight’s reign. It was also discovered that the Unity Crystals, the Dragon Stone and the seven anchors in SYS seemed to function as regulatory mechanisms to manipulate magic - which had not been needed in G4. Twilight therefore advocated a complete automation of the magical functions in the MLP world.
But when it comes to the celestial bodies, it is not certain whether there is an automatic machine large enough to handle the Sun and the Moon - and the stars. Already in S9 it has been taught that these could be manipulated with the help of an amulet, but it was with Celestia’s and Luna’s personal magic inserted into this. The only hint we have is from TYT s1 ep. 59, when the moon was at its closest - and supercharging the ponies that had gained active magic. It could only be explained by the fact that the moon has become a giant magical battery - in alicorn level. Then it is certain that the same is the case with the Sun. These have much more magic in the G5 than in the G4. Much more.
Twilight seemed to have predicted the absence of magic that indications suggest happened after she disappeared. And she was proactive and forward-thinking, which could mean that she had considered all options and then made the choices she thought were best. Not only did Equestria (and other realms) have to be protected from Opaline. She also had to ensure that the magic could be protected and controlled. Spike’s reaction when Sunny revealed that the ponies had lost their magic suggests that he - and Twilight - were aware of the weakness of the Unity Crystals. Twilight obviously wasn’t taking any unnecessary chances with Equestria’s future and her legacy.
There’s still a lot we don’t know about,
  • Why is the magic so strong in G5? A G4 unicorn could not lift as much as a G5 unicorn. The lightest spells have more extensive consequences than usual.
  • Where are all monsters from both G1 and G4?
  • Why did Twilight have to disappear? There are many indications that her departure was not wanted by the ponies. The magic was still there after she was gone.
At least we know Twilight knew about Sunny Starscout. It was likely she who hid the three parts of the tapestry from TYT s1 ep. 24 because only an alicorn could do that. She knew that her successor would come in the future.

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CloudMistDragon
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Misty Shadow
@Mr.Myoozik
I know you wouldn’t do that, first two sentences of that post were the only parts directed at you.
@DerpyFast
…For future reference, when I say, “you” or “your”, that doesn’t necessarily mean I’m specifically referring to you or something you’ve done. “I don’t care about a difference of opinions, I care about your attitude.” is a statement for everyone.

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CloudMistDragon
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Misty Shadow
@river mines
DerpyFast already stated the two big things I don’t like about G5, bad release schedule and no Comet. Everything else he stated…I don’t exactly agree with, but that ties in with something else I weary of reiterating, I don’t care about whether or not you agree with my opinions. What was really getting on my nerves was the way DF was being talked to. It’s DF’s job to defend himself, I know, but that’s not the point. I don’t care about a difference of opinions, I care about your attitude. Also, keep in mind…I don’t obsess over G5 the way people hate-obsess over it. I just feel that I have every right to be tired of people being overly critical and cynical about a children’s horse show after it’s been how long now?

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DerpyFast
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@evocov
Yeah. Twilight is very proactive and forward-thinking, but she was so rarely rewarded for these qualities. They were the first things established about her, so I absolutely love the idea that they’re her legacy as she continues to protect Equestria after she’s gone.

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evocov
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@river mines
The “Lore” may be an utter mess, but the characters themselves go a long way to keeping me invested in this gen. Despite the endless story direction problems and continuity errors, the voice actresses are all clearly doing their damndest to keep these characters fun and strong, with Pipp and Zipp being especially huge highlights. If G5’s got one huge positive to it’s predecessor, it’s that the cast and crew care just as much for the characters and want to see them work no matter how many problems Hasbro drags them into.
@DerpyFast
To throw a bone to 5’s mess of a lore, the Sun and Moon issue does seem to be rather easily explained as just Twilight and the m6 finding someway to automate the world in their absence. The whole “Unity Crystals are Conduits to the Tree of Harmony ‘Togetherness’ “ and stuff like the Automated Weather Factories have been consistently implying that Twilight saw the magical dark age coming and went to Fallout Equestria level planning and backup planning to ensure Equestria would survive far into the future. How she somehow successfully foresaw absolutely everything about Sunny and all is an annoying mystery though.

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Mr.Myoozik
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@CloudMistDragon
Oh don’t worry, I’m not jumping on this bandwagon of hating someone else because they have different views than me. I disagree with some of their opinions and I especially disagree with how they express it and interpret it, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to make them out as a pariah or anything like that.
@evocov
I wouldn’t say that G4 had any filler episodes since it was always envisioned as a slice of life show that just happened to have arcs. Like what the majority have been saying, I feel like it’s more the case of the fandom making it out to be a bigger deal than it is, and it is also creeping into G5 if this discourse is any indication

Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 25606

DerpyFast
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That’s mostly pure guesswork and assumptions
No it isn’t. It’s putting pieces of a puzzle together. Virtually every “unexplained” thing you mentioned was explained at some point in the show.
@Zabilac
Each character has a set of ideas that they explore. Rather than concrete arcs, it’s more of a gradual transformation. I think they want to avoid a repeat of “This character learned this lesson they are never allowed to exhibit this character flaw ever again!”
  • The release schedule, for one.
  • Chapter One is pretty mediocre, and it’s still unclear what was going on in the climax.
  • MYM takes until Chapter 2 episode 6 to find its footing
  • Zipp’s detective work doesn’t actually contribute to defeating Opaline
  • A lot of the solutions to problems are just sort of handed to the characters
  • While The Root of All Evil is an effective vehicle for character moments, the plot just sort of meanders
  • The Rainbow Locket is just sort of there, and Opaline’s defeat should have involved a proper Chekhov’s Gun
  • Secrets of Starlight shouldn’t have happened immediately after The Root of All Evil. The ending needed room to breathe.
  • We still haven’t seen Comet in Season Two.
Also, I did ctrl+f “sun “, and zero results. If you want an actual, valid criticism about lore compatibility problems, they still haven’t explained who’s moving The Sun. But it seems like everyone, including me, as completely forgotten about that detail.

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river mines

And to be fair, I’m going to say what I like about the G5 since I’m someone who criticizes it a lot.
What made me like G5 from the beginning was the chemistry and dynamics between the characters, especially the relationship between Zipp and Pipp, Pipp took the place of my favorite G5 character before Misty, who had the best character development in this franchise. It’s very satisfying to see her development.
my favorite episode of MYM is the jinxes games episode, and even though I currently have a slightly complicated relationship, the truth is that I love TYT, they are 5 minute episodes, but they are fun and relaxed 5 minute episodes that actually hide a lot emotion, l.
I simply loved the recent episode of the Alpha family and Haven getting together on a trip, the situation reminded me of a family trip I took when I was younger.
Well, I understand if no one wants to respond, maybe I vented too much and I’m sorry, but i love mlp e o Knows everyone loves

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river mines

I have a genuine question for the people in this topic.
for those who complained about the G5 until now
@TheQuietMan
@Zabilac
@evocov
What do you like about the G5? be it the characters, episodes, music, anything, sometimes we complain a lot about something because we care, but we have to remember what we liked and what makes that thing special.
for those who are defending until now
@Jonny Manz
@CloudMistDragon
@DerpyFast
What don’t you like about the G5? I understand wanting to defend this generation from injustice, but we are human we have new dissatisfactions about everything
and defending something too much is as harmful as criticizing it too much.

Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 25603

river mines

Wow, I missed an intense discussion about the G5 while I was away.
but since I’m here I wanted to make a general comment, I have unfortunately become a very cynical and critical person towards G5, but I genuinely like the generation of the characters mainly because I followed it from the beginning, but this follow-up from the beginning kind of made me bitter , in any G5 discussion there is always a lot of fighting and hypocrisy and that includes me,
Almost no one can make a comment without being controversial and I’m dying to see what I’ve become.
Anyone who criticizes the G5 will be labeled a purist or just a crybaby with unfounded arguments.
Anyone who speaks well or defends the G5 will be seen as crazy people who have no critical sense, who are making things up to make themselves feel better.
It’s simply frustrating.

Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 25602

TheQuietMan
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House of the Arcana
@Jonny Manz
That feels like it would be saved for a movie but we know Hasbro won’t do it. Sure we watch the show but we’re not omniscient gods to know everything and neither are we their creators to dictate what should happen.

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CloudMistDragon
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Misty Shadow
@evocov
Eh, gonna have to agree to disagree on that - I don’t think G5 has really ever teased that everything will be answered or anything like that - I think that’s more a product of the fandom being up its own collective ass about G4 lore (ignoring the inconvenient truth that G4 contradicted its own lore at multiple junctures) and thinking that G5 absolutely has to answer about what happened that one time Twilight Sparkle stubbed her hoof and Luster Dawn just happened to be around to hear it, or why Applejack’s apple harvest was only 49 trees one year instead of 50.
There’s a part of me that honestly feels like I should’ve given “G5 ignores G4’s lore” a higher spot on my Top 10 list for bunk G5 criticisms. :)
I mean, Pipp had something of an arc of learning to do the whole social media thing in moderation.
Wasn’t that like in only one episode and never brought up ever again considering how much of a social media junkie she still is.
I did forget she had more character development in the comics. I don’t generally read the comics so it slipped my mind.
The effect “mega-Pega-mindfulness” had on her could be seen in Mane Smelody. She also had to live with not being able to be on her phone at all in the Dragon Lands. She’s also not obsessed over social media at all in TYT Season 2.

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Zabilac

I mean, Pipp had something of an arc of learning to do the whole social media thing in moderation.
Wasn’t that like in only one episode and never brought up ever again considering how much of a social media junkie she still is.
I did forget she had more character development in the comics. I don’t generally read the comics so it slipped my mind.

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