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Background Pony #F32F
I have noticed that all of the artwork done by Saurian are gone. Those anybody have any idea on why this is happening, or better yet when this occurred.
Inucroft
Hater of Nazi edgelords
@Background Pony #6A79
I mean, you're claiming hate… when in the US law and US culture you are very very focused on free speech to the poijnt where that free speech harms other people.
I mean, you're claiming hate… when in the US law and US culture you are very very focused on free speech to the poijnt where that free speech harms other people.
Frosku 
Vox Exercitus
There seem to be two main schools of thought when it comes to what I should see on Derpibooru. The first school of thought, which has been the status quo up until now, is that Derpibooru should largely serve as a free market of ideas where people can post (mostly) anything that's on topic and within the law, and that you as a user are responsible for deciding what you want to see on the site via the filtration system. The only responsibility this places on the artists, uploaders, and moderators is to enforce that images are tagged correctly so that the filters work as intended.
The second school of thought is that some expression is not fit for consumption by anyone. That is, even if you want to draw those topics or see art around those topics, that decision should not be yours to make because they are inherently harmful to minority groups. Filtration, under this school of thought, is somewhat like turning a blind eye to its existence whilst still tacitly allowing it to go unchecked. This group argues that limiting creativity away from these subjects is a price worth paying to ensure that the content isn't available.
The first school argue that the second school are unnecessarily restrictive, that art deserves special protection from censorship, and that there is a place for uncomfortable symbolism in creative works. World War II movies and videogames, they argue, would not be nearly as impactful without their brutal depictions of Nazis complete with swastikas and associated iconography.
The second school argue that the first school are putting their principle before other users' safety. Unchecked hate speech, they argue, could be a recruitment tool for Nazis and other violent extremists, and serve to normalize horrific ideas. Some, though from what I can tell they are a vocal minority, in the second group argue that anyone who wants to see depictions of Nazis allowed to remain on Derpibooru must themselves be Nazis.
There are definitely nuances between individuals' views as to what should be allowed and what shouldn't. Most people that I've interacted with would agree with or be willing to tolerate a ban on
calls to violence, low effort shitposts, and direct attacks on other members of the community. From there though, we largely break into two categories: those who would rather follow a "first amendment" approach to artwork, and those who believe that Derpibooru as a platform should offer a more curated and inclusive experience, even if that comes at the cost of limiting freedom of expression.
What that ultimately leaves you with is an uncomfortable choice: do you want (nearly) complete freedom of expression within the law, along with the chance that something on the site might be perceived as harmful, offensive, or even dangerous; or would you prefer to have more limits on creativity which in turn create less potential for other users to be uncomfortable? I don't think there is a perfect answer here, I do think that we would all serve ourselves and our community better by admitting that it's difficult, and it's not "the Nazis" on one side and "the screeching SJWs" on the other, and I admit I have been a part of this at times and will endeavor to do better.
I really hope I've summed up both arguments fairly and without bias — please let me know if you think I haven't captured your argument or have made a straw man of it, I want to have a constructive debate (and with the exception of some rude background ponies on both sides, I think we have had constructive debates) about where the responsibility lies for a person's comfort, and whether uncomfortable art depicting hateful symbolism should be allowed to have a platform at all.
The second school of thought is that some expression is not fit for consumption by anyone. That is, even if you want to draw those topics or see art around those topics, that decision should not be yours to make because they are inherently harmful to minority groups. Filtration, under this school of thought, is somewhat like turning a blind eye to its existence whilst still tacitly allowing it to go unchecked. This group argues that limiting creativity away from these subjects is a price worth paying to ensure that the content isn't available.
The first school argue that the second school are unnecessarily restrictive, that art deserves special protection from censorship, and that there is a place for uncomfortable symbolism in creative works. World War II movies and videogames, they argue, would not be nearly as impactful without their brutal depictions of Nazis complete with swastikas and associated iconography.
The second school argue that the first school are putting their principle before other users' safety. Unchecked hate speech, they argue, could be a recruitment tool for Nazis and other violent extremists, and serve to normalize horrific ideas. Some, though from what I can tell they are a vocal minority, in the second group argue that anyone who wants to see depictions of Nazis allowed to remain on Derpibooru must themselves be Nazis.
There are definitely nuances between individuals' views as to what should be allowed and what shouldn't. Most people that I've interacted with would agree with or be willing to tolerate a ban on
calls to violence, low effort shitposts, and direct attacks on other members of the community. From there though, we largely break into two categories: those who would rather follow a "first amendment" approach to artwork, and those who believe that Derpibooru as a platform should offer a more curated and inclusive experience, even if that comes at the cost of limiting freedom of expression.
What that ultimately leaves you with is an uncomfortable choice: do you want (nearly) complete freedom of expression within the law, along with the chance that something on the site might be perceived as harmful, offensive, or even dangerous; or would you prefer to have more limits on creativity which in turn create less potential for other users to be uncomfortable? I don't think there is a perfect answer here, I do think that we would all serve ourselves and our community better by admitting that it's difficult, and it's not "the Nazis" on one side and "the screeching SJWs" on the other, and I admit I have been a part of this at times and will endeavor to do better.
I really hope I've summed up both arguments fairly and without bias — please let me know if you think I haven't captured your argument or have made a straw man of it, I want to have a constructive debate (and with the exception of some rude background ponies on both sides, I think we have had constructive debates) about where the responsibility lies for a person's comfort, and whether uncomfortable art depicting hateful symbolism should be allowed to have a platform at all.
Background Pony #F329
@Princess Luna
Could you at least acknowledge the arguments i'm making instead of just ignoring the post?
"I dont want to answer that until i talk with the others"
Even a flat "No." is better than silence.
Could you at least acknowledge the arguments i'm making instead of just ignoring the post?
"I dont want to answer that until i talk with the others"
Even a flat "No." is better than silence.
Meanlucario 
Steel/Lonely type
@Background Pony #AF63
No, just pointing out what your words mean you were.
No, just pointing out what your words mean you were.
Lisboeta
@Princess Luna
Why you could not publicly explain what you are going to do (and more than 24 hours in advance)?
About the statewide poll — it can have issues, but for now mods (who let's say do not have really high trust) deciding policy solely between themselves is even worse. Not too many users chose to participate in all those threads (which is hard even when posts are not erased a page at a time, when threads are locked, when new rthreads appear etc.) I had at least some voice. The vast majority of the users who do not participate in forums had none.
Finally — why are you pushing for changes so fast? Mpd team has engaged in secret throttling, proponents of certain positions left the team — and this is the voting council that decides on the future of the site?
You don't need refinements, you need a visible, transparent process for rule changes instead of lofty announcements.
Why you could not publicly explain what you are going to do (and more than 24 hours in advance)?
About the statewide poll — it can have issues, but for now mods (who let's say do not have really high trust) deciding policy solely between themselves is even worse. Not too many users chose to participate in all those threads (which is hard even when posts are not erased a page at a time, when threads are locked, when new rthreads appear etc.) I had at least some voice. The vast majority of the users who do not participate in forums had none.
Finally — why are you pushing for changes so fast? Mpd team has engaged in secret throttling, proponents of certain positions left the team — and this is the voting council that decides on the future of the site?
You don't need refinements, you need a visible, transparent process for rule changes instead of lofty announcements.
Background Pony #B7F3
@Background Pony #E935
Since you two are seemingly so far down in your basement thinking that "just because I only look at it must not be a crime, it did not involved actual children" and that only the west world exists (and that is only the USA):Those examples are irrelevant to Derpibooru because this type of content is already banned here, read the rules:
Here is a curt case from the US. Guy was facing 15 years in prison (but ended up with only 6 months after pleading guilty) for owning drawn "child porn".
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/564/996/1407869/
This is clearly a "utter cancer for precedent" as you said it. But it is a precedent.
Here is another one (ok this is outside of the US so technically this guy went to explore the wilderness):
https://www.t-ono.net/Anime-News/U.S.-Man-Arrested-in-Canada-for-Possession-and-Importation-of-Manga.html
Do not upload artwork of characters in sexual depictions or scenarios who look underage and look human or human-like.
Zincy 
Part-time Pizza Cat
@ᏰᎯᎠᎻᎬᎯᏒᎿ
Of the top ten most educated states, only one state is Purple (Virginia) with the rest solidly blue. The bottom ten are all red save for purple Nevada.
Top ten healthiest states contains one red state (Utah) and the rest blue. The bottom ten contains all red states.
The ten highest GDP's contain 6 blues, 3 reds, and a purple.
The World Quality of Life scale ranks 7 blues as the highest QOF, with 2 reds and a purple. The bottom ten is all reds save for 1 blue and 1 purple.
Oklahoma to Florida (that whole stretch)+West VA has the highest infant mortality rate, lowest life expectancy, highest obesity, and highest new mother mortality rate in the US.
You may wish to rethink that notion.
Also, Blue states have covid under better control than all the 7 red states being nailed the hardest.
Of the top ten most educated states, only one state is Purple (Virginia) with the rest solidly blue. The bottom ten are all red save for purple Nevada.
Top ten healthiest states contains one red state (Utah) and the rest blue. The bottom ten contains all red states.
The ten highest GDP's contain 6 blues, 3 reds, and a purple.
The World Quality of Life scale ranks 7 blues as the highest QOF, with 2 reds and a purple. The bottom ten is all reds save for 1 blue and 1 purple.
Oklahoma to Florida (that whole stretch)+West VA has the highest infant mortality rate, lowest life expectancy, highest obesity, and highest new mother mortality rate in the US.
You may wish to rethink that notion.
Also, Blue states have covid under better control than all the 7 red states being nailed the hardest.
Background Pony #E935
@Background Pony #E935
* This was meant to be a rhetorical question.
Just because someone is posting CP to twitter, does that mean its is OK in the eye of the justice system?
Just because someone is posting CP to twitter does that mean its is OK in the eye of the justice system.
* This was meant to be a rhetorical question.
Just because someone is posting CP to twitter, does that mean its is OK in the eye of the justice system?
RhodieNite
← Glimmy the lioness
minor details: of all the characters, Rouge have the largest ears, followed by Tails. Rouge's ears are even larger than her… you know that ;)
speaking of ears, I haven't seen any shipping fanarts with cute ear nibbling like some pony pictures
speaking of ears, I haven't seen any shipping fanarts with cute ear nibbling like some pony pictures
Background Pony #AF63
You know I feel better after having stopped fighting for defending Nintendo at any cost, and after having played Bug Fables. I feel like I got rid of an heavy weight on my shoulders.
ArmadilloEater 
French Taunter
@Background Pony #F702
Raptor posted a screencap of a specific message from private moderation chat, she didn't post the full chat logs. It's literally impossible for her to have done it since the logs go beyond the moment she was kicked out. The following DDoS wasn't her either, I'm positive.
As for the rest of your post, relax dude, this is a fan website for MLP art, not the goddamn government…
Raptor posted a screencap of a specific message from private moderation chat, she didn't post the full chat logs. It's literally impossible for her to have done it since the logs go beyond the moment she was kicked out. The following DDoS wasn't her either, I'm positive.
As for the rest of your post, relax dude, this is a fan website for MLP art, not the goddamn government…
Ninji 
@WyrmSpawN
Phychosis occurs a lot to me in between dream states where I have a hard time discerning what's real, or my current life situation even up to 30 minutes after I wake up.
Sometimes I'm so stuck between dream and awake I sit up in bed afraid to fall asleep.
Also if I had a partner we'd need separate beds. For reasons…rarely I throw punches/flail in my sleep or wet the bed.
In more lighthearted news I've had videogame mechanics in my dreams, which is often lucid so I'm aware it's a dream and have fun.
Phychosis occurs a lot to me in between dream states where I have a hard time discerning what's real, or my current life situation even up to 30 minutes after I wake up.
Sometimes I'm so stuck between dream and awake I sit up in bed afraid to fall asleep.
Also if I had a partner we'd need separate beds. For reasons…rarely I throw punches/flail in my sleep or wet the bed.
In more lighthearted news I've had videogame mechanics in my dreams, which is often lucid so I'm aware it's a dream and have fun.
Panko Pai 
I ♥ Pinkie Pie
Ace's suffreing from existential crisis.
Also I believe I have made a punching bag from him
Also I believe I have made a punching bag from him
Background Pony #E935
@Background Pony #500D
@Hisexpliciteditor
Since you two are seemingly so far down in your basement thinking that "just because I only look at it must not be a crime, it did not involved actual children" and that only the west world exists (and that is only the USA):
Here is a curt case from the US. Guy was facing 15 years in prison (but ended up with only 6 months after pleading guilty) for owning drawn "child porn".
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/564/996/1407869/
This is clearly a "utter cancer for precedent" as you said it. But it is a precedent.
Here is another one (ok this is outside of the US so technically this guy went to explore the wilderness):
https://www.t-ono.net/Anime-News/U.S.-Man-Arrested-in-Canada-for-Possession-and-Importation-of-Manga.html
>twitter TOS as an example
Who the fuck cares?
Can twitter itself put me in prison? No.
Can the justice system? Yes.
I rather listen to the second one.
Just because someone is posting CP to twitter does that mean its is OK in the eye of the justice system.
I'm not saying derpi should remove all CP like porn. I'm saying its a barrel loaded with gunpowder and people might get burnt. When a biased US media will do an article on this it wont say "users of derpibooru" uploaded CP, but will say that derpibooru hosts CP.
@Hisexpliciteditor
Since you two are seemingly so far down in your basement thinking that "just because I only look at it must not be a crime, it did not involved actual children" and that only the west world exists (and that is only the USA):
Here is a curt case from the US. Guy was facing 15 years in prison (but ended up with only 6 months after pleading guilty) for owning drawn "child porn".
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/564/996/1407869/
This is clearly a "utter cancer for precedent" as you said it. But it is a precedent.
Here is another one (ok this is outside of the US so technically this guy went to explore the wilderness):
https://www.t-ono.net/Anime-News/U.S.-Man-Arrested-in-Canada-for-Possession-and-Importation-of-Manga.html
>twitter TOS as an example
Who the fuck cares?
Can twitter itself put me in prison? No.
Can the justice system? Yes.
I rather listen to the second one.
Just because someone is posting CP to twitter does that mean its is OK in the eye of the justice system.
I'm not saying derpi should remove all CP like porn. I'm saying its a barrel loaded with gunpowder and people might get burnt. When a biased US media will do an article on this it wont say "users of derpibooru" uploaded CP, but will say that derpibooru hosts CP.
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