Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

Beth

In digital purgatory

Tipping is stupid and makes me uncomfortable.

I want the price of the service upfront.

I don’t even eat out. I used to eat at Mc Donald’s because I knew the pricw and that they not allow to tip, now I’m hearing they give you the option

Tipping is just a way to make waiting staff eat the losses of a bad day. I don’t support hogwash.

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Zincy

In Vino Veritas

@Background Human

Its now become the largest nationwide strike in Israeli history. International transit out of the country has ground to a halt, their largest shopping chains have shut down, a majority of universities have shuttered, over two dozen mayors are on strike, and numerous government officials have declared work-stoppage.

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igotnopicks

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@Beth
Tipping helps the waiters and the watresses. Since that is the majority of thier income.

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Meanlucario

Time to get spooky

@igotnopicks
And that is the issue.

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Beth

In digital purgatory

@igotnopicks
They use tips as an excuse to not pay minimum wage, when they should have a steady wage quite a bit higher than mimimum, just for dealing with people.

That just means the tiny amount they make is random. Often the schedule is random too, so it’s impossible to work another job without jumping ship.

Dishwashers also get random schedules where they’re jerked around to make 25$ on inconsistent notice. This is below garbage, less than shit.

I say just raise the prices to whatever the socially acceptable tip gets it to.

I don’t want to have to sit around doing math in front of my GF because some dishonest business practice.

Finnally something I can report accurately on. I’m in a rare set of circumstances, where I can only get work from scumbags, with no support system to get me out. If I had a lot of money, i’d use it to bet that i’m still more poor than you.

EDIT: Also the average person is a moron. They subconsciously give decent tips to cute girls, but book it when it’s an older man. The public should not be deciding how much money that establishments worker is making. Yeah there is lots of stories of beautiful women making a killing off tips. Men and people with disabilities or disfigurements don’t get shit.

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igotnopicks

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@Beth
Yeah and usually the tips are 20%. Imagine if we pay our servers more on their paycheck to begin with. It would defintely be less money for owner and the server overall. It’s almost like economics are usually the way to not break this cycle. Imagine if you will a Server gets less money from making it normally than getting tips.

Also we only hear of cases like an owner get the tips very rarely. And I do mean very rarely hear in the US because it’s against the Law.

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Zaknel

Mods-Ezekiel 33:11

Tips are good.

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Meanlucario

Time to get spooky

@Zaknel
I’d agree if it was on top of their pay, not replacing it.

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Beth

In digital purgatory

I’m just not going to any establisment that does tips.

If you tip them, the boss reduces their stable income. This means you can make less than you intended to make, and this often happens. Some restaurants only have one or two decent tippers a day.

I don’t like restaurants like at all. Way too expensive, inferior food, shady business practices, having to deal with people. I just cook. I get stuck working for restaurants, but I’d never buy from one, not one that is dishonest about how much you actually have to pay, broke people prob get their food spit in. Screw that.

@Meanlucario
Yeah… you pretty much say more with less words.

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SleepySteve

Apples and Pears

@Zincy
And you know how this ends? Rule by decree. Anybody who still thinks Israel is a democracy will look like a total idiot, if they haven’t already.

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Zaknel

Mods-Ezekiel 33:11

Not sure why we, as a culture, decided that tipping was a thing we should do. But we did, and now here we are.

If you don’t like the idea of tipping in lieu of a full wage, then you should first try to get rid of the tipping in culture before demanding restaurants raise their prices to support hugher wages. Especially since high minimum wages already have a track record of increasing unemployment, and that will be oh so very true if implemented on tipped workers before tipping is already gone.

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Zincy

In Vino Veritas

Having both worked in, and owned, a restaurant, I am firmly of the belief that restaurant workers should get a full working wage, and tips on the top based on performance.

No one should have to worry about a “bad night” at work making it so they cannot buy food the next day. And restaurant workers work hard enough to justify a good wage.

Tipping as their primary income is bullshit, because a slow week at the restaurant means an empty paycheck. No one should have to deal with having a full week of work be meaningless. It’s criminal in my mind.

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CaptainXtra

I’m not giving up.

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Violet Rose in The Rain

@Zaknel

If you don’t like the idea of tipping in lieu of a full wage, then you should first try to get rid of the tipping in culture before demanding restaurants raise their prices to support hugher wages.

Boy, I hope you heard the phrase, “putting the cart before the horse” cause stiffing people of their payments before demanding that stores pay them more is a horrible idea.

Especially since high minimum wages already have a track record of increasing unemployment, and that will be oh so very true if implemented on tipped workers before tipping is already gone.

Sounds to me like businesses are petty little tyrants for not hiring people and paying them livable wages. Why should we, the working class, accept lower wages when companies and CEOs are making record profits?

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Zaknel

Mods-Ezekiel 33:11

@Violet Rose in The Rain

@Zaknel

If you don’t like the idea of tipping in lieu of a full wage, then you should first try to get rid of the tipping in culture before demanding restaurants raise their prices to support hugher wages.

Boy, I hope you heard the phrase, “putting the cart before the horse” cause stiffing people of their payments before demanding that stores pay them more is a horrible idea.

I didn’t say the transitionjng period done this way would be pleasant. It would be rough for a while. But making such industries have to raise their prices to be able to pay this wage (assuming they even keep those employees at all) and price them out of business. So their wages wouldn’t rise to minimum wage plus tips, but fall to none at all.

Especially since high minimum wages already have a track record of increasing unemployment, and that will be oh so very true if implemented on tipped workers before tipping is already gone.

Sounds to me like businesses are petty little tyrants for not hiring people and paying them livable wages. Why should we, the working class, accept lower wages when companies and CEOs are making record profits?

Because most businesses are small businesses, and no, they aren’t all making record breaking profits.

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Commune

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@Zincy
I don’t believe in tipping at all, Marx wrote on how piece-wages(aka wages paid on products-delivered by the worker rather than hourly wages) leads to increased competition between workers and is just overall worse than hourly wages

Tipping is similar to piece-wages in a way, and should be just done away with entirely

Another thing people don’t note about tipping is it’s overall effects on the minimum wage on other workers as well. A common defense of tipping is that service workers earn more tipping than hourly, whether or not that’s true, the fact that tipping is often used to deny a flat minimum wage across the entire economy is not lost on me. So even if it’s true that service workers earn more tipping, we also need to ask ourselves how is that affecting other worker’s wages as well

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The Smiling Pony

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@Commune
Please don’t tell me you’re one of those people that leave a fake note as a tip that has some political screed on the other side “educating” the below-minimum wage worker about how tips are unethical.

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Zaknel

Mods-Ezekiel 33:11

@Commune
You know, most, if not all, businesses get paid by the amount of product ir service they deliver, rather than a flat rate.

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Commune

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@The Smiling Pony
I don’t even live in a country where tipping is a thing

At the same time we also don’t have a minimum wage, so worst of both worlds

Besides, pointing out a systemic problem with tipping doesn’t mean I won’t tip, it’s incredibly bad faith to suggest that(unless you really interpreted “don’t believe in tipping” as “I don’t tip”)

@Zaknel
Workers and businesses get paid differently

Workers wages are determined by their cost of sustenance, while business costs are determined by the price of the goods they sell(and how much they sell)

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Background Pony #1F81

In an ideal world, restaurant workers would be given a decent wage in general for their work, ALONG with getting tips as a bonus from customers for good service.

Like Zincy said, they should be paid a good wage so they don’t have to worry about a slow work day/week messing up their ability to pay for bills/needs. Having workers only being paid via tips is not a good way to survive (especially with all the stories of less then moral owners/bosses taking the tip money for themselves)

@Commune
I doubt the average waiter/waitress gives a shit about what Marx thinks and just wants to get a decent tip from a nice customer.

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Zaknel

Mods-Ezekiel 33:11

@Commune
What I was saying was that a competitive market works well.

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Zaknel

Mods-Ezekiel 33:11

@Background Pony #1F81
Most careers do not make tips. Construction, doctors, mechanics, IT, and .ost others do not get tipped.

So why do we wanna give those people a higher base wage AND tips?

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Zincy

In Vino Veritas

@Zaknel

Mechanics do occasionally make tips, actually. And various other artisans. It’s not nearly as common as the restaurant industry, but it does still occur. Same thing with those who are paid on commission, they do get tips. Consultants and contractors often make additional fees as well on top of whatever their base contract pay is.

Doctors get stipends during residency, aid money, tuition reimbursement, incentive packages, and network commission fees.

It is absolutely idiotic to compare between jobs as every job receives things that other jobs do not. It is especially foolish to compare across different industries. Why should a doctor get all those above benefits when a mechanic doesn’t?

Because every industry is subject to different realities. What one worker makes and gets offered in one field shouldn’t really have much baring on the incentive packages of another.

And right now, the reality is that hospitality and food are struggling hard because workers do not want to work for slave-wages and rely on tips/commissions. We are seeing a record number of restaurant closures. It’s not because of covid, or the “evil government and their regulations”, its because of staffing.

This isn’t a socialist perspective mind you, I am coming at this from a purely capitalistic perspective on this subject. And the market demands competition right now.

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Meanlucario

Time to get spooky

@Zaknel
Workers aren’t businesses. Competitive work environments are bad because it slows down progress.

@Zaknel
Maybe the issues is tips and not wages than. Tips are used and abuse by corporations to not even pay minimum wage.

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Meanlucario

Time to get spooky

@Zincy
Even our mailman/lady get tips in the way of a snack and drink from my family.

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