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Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174911

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One works day shifts, one works night shifts. Luna’s only up during the day for special occasions. It’s clear they love each other, but don’t really communicate. And these two not talking is what lead to Nightmare Moon to begin with, so yeah, it was something to be adressed. Just because people are wise and competent at their job doesn’t mean they don’t have a pettier side to them, or that they adress everyone with the same emotional intelligence. Luna working with her subjects in the Dream Realm is not the same as Luna wanting Celestia to appreciate all she does. She knows she must maintain a certain persona when working, so does Celestia, but they don’t need to put on any royal airs around each other. So, when Starlight finally makes them confront each other, they don’t hold back.
If Luna’s been back for years at this point, and these two haven’t hashed it out yet due to their diverging schedules and personalities, then the tone they took with each other makes perfect sense. Heck, maybe Celestia considers the Nightmare Moon thing to be such a sore subject for Luna that she never brings it up. Families love to avoid talking about traumas, even if they should.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174910

DerpyFast
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@Twi Clown
Disclaimer: I haven’t see A Royal Problem since it came out, so take this with grain of salt.
So imagine you’re watching Breaking Bad, and in Season Five, there’s an episode about Walt and Skyler having to make something for a bake sale, so that a club that Walter Jr. belongs to can go on a trip. They get into a disagreement, and it looks like they might split up over it. And the show treats this like serious drama. Now, by that point in the show, Walter has killed people, and Skyler had an affair, and is laundering Walt’s money.
It would seem really weird and out-of-touch, and raise a few eyebrows.
A Royal Problem creates this weird disconnect. Luna has been characterized as this wise spirit guide. For Whom The Sweetie Belle Toils? is all about respecting the effort that someone else puts into something. So at best, the conflict between the two princesses feels really petty and shallow.
1,000 years have passed for Celestia, and Luna has clearly put a lot of thought into what she did. It raises questions about emotional maturity and who is a reasonable authority figure in this setting. It also raises questions about what the hell these characters have been doing for six seasons. Did they never talk about the Nightmare Moon incident and how they feel about it? Did they make absolutely zero effort at rebuilding their relationship up to that point? Did Celestia not bring Luna up to speed on how ruling Equestria works?

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174909

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There’s a huge problem regarding what counts as OOC.
OOC requires the characters to behave against the established context and beliefs without a justifiable enough reason.
It requires both past context and a context within a present situation.
For example, regarding the Luna and Celestia bickering, keep in mind before most of those episodes Luna and Celestia didn’t have day-to-day interaction episodes. Celestia appeared to take care of political and security affairs and Luna as a dreamwalker, none of those actually gave us a clear view of how their relationship was behind the walls, and if anything the NMM incident reflects in Luna resenting Celestia’s popularity, so while they might love each other, seeds for rivalries and bickering are still kinda there.
And for “present time context”, many of us already noted many times the sisters had different personalities, Celestia bring the brainy extravert and Luna as the brawny introvert, the former constantly makes schemes and loves to experience the world, the later is more down to solve a problem and then rest down. So its understandable they would have conflicts regarding approaches like how to spend vacations or how to deal with each other’s jobs.
Plus Celestia always has to look regal and stoic for politicians and civilians alike, which sadly close family being the exact kind of person that wouldn’t give you the same kind of reverence, so Celestia being more irked at Luna is pretty much bog standard. Luna resenting being at Celestia’s shadow results in Luna having a more clear target for her lowest moments, plus it also means her serious and ocasionally spooky demeanor isn’t gonna intimidate Celestia on the slightest.
Because family sucks pushes more buttons than coworkers for example.
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Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174908

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But what is “out of character” then? Oogway losing patience because he’s never ever seen losing it till now? I see this more like he hadn’t had his buttons pushed yet rather than he can’t get mad.
@Latecomer
Big Good is what she is. Like Oogway. Can’t do anything wrong intentional or not. That’s a very negative use of Big Good. For Celestia of course.
@Cosmas-the-Explorer
What kinda message would that bring? Then again it’s kinda done in the kart episode.
@Latecomer
Sounds quite weird when you put it that way.
@Jonny Manz
I remember some fan CMC cutie marks made before the official ones. In those, it just looked like they moved on from crusading to pursue solo careers.
@Tiger beetle
I see you read that comic. For what it’s worth, they made two really dark villains reform from all absolution of any war crimes they’ve done for albeit a shallow reason.
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Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174907

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@Dragonpone
Nowadays its so common to say “the hero was the true villain and the villain was misuntlderstood”.
There’s a bone to pick with the changelings before S6 ending. Many times people argued the ponies were evil because the changelings only wanted to feed.
Ok, but if we are gonna appeal to nature, then here’s the catch: the ponies and changelings are mutually feuding (or were before Thorax), and like any natural order, if the changelings were justified in their invasion, so the ponies were justified in defending themselves since the invasion was actually being a threat to their own survival.
Remember: if someone wants to use survival of the fittest to justify villains, then the heroes by definition are not exempt and the argument also works to their favor.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174906

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Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174904

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If anything can be gained from this whole thing, it’s that apparently liking Celestia is bad and you should feel bad for even trying to defend or be a fan of her. Everyone has to conform to Luna worship now.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174903

Mr.Myoozik
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I’ll still use “overrated”, but “not really my thing” I also use in my lexicon, it just depends on how someone interprets those words since everybody is different.
I always thought Do Princesses Dream Of Magic Sheep? was a good episode and nothing else. Kleptomage’s feelings are the same as mine but I wouldn’t say that the premise was “flawed”, it accomplished what it was trying to do and I really liked the dream sequence, that was creative.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174902

DerpyFast
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  • “The emotional climax of Luna’s redemption arc didn’t come from Celestia’s forgiveness”
  • “Luna didn’t ask Celestia for help in dealing with The Tantabus”, and
  • “How Celestia is characterized in general”,
are three separate issues that stem from the same source. That source being that Celestia isn’t written very well. I’m probably implying too much and stating too little.
“Emotional Climax” implies that the characters have done some work to get here. It’s the big “moment of truth” we’ve been building up to. If a story doesn’t have a climax, then there’s no story.
Luna didn’t have to do any work to earn Celestia’s forgiveness. If the show was one season long, that would be fine, if a bit underwhelming. But then she puts in a whole bunch of work to redeem herself. She builds rapport with her subjects, and shows that she’s thought long and hard about what she’s done. But there has to be some kind of moment of truth, or there’s no story. I went back and made sure that I actually posted the words:
But in the back of my mind, I know that the moment of forgiveness should have come from Celestia, since Luna’s betrayal was the inciting incident for the whole show. And that The Tantabus and DPDOMS itself only exist because Luna’s arc wouldn’t have an emotional climax otherwise.
and I did. What I’m getting at is that DPDOMS creates this disconnect. It makes you go
Hey wait a minute. Luna put in all this work to redeem herself. Shouldn’t it have gone towards rebuilding her relationship with Celestia, since her betraying Celestia is how this all started, and I understand how stories work? Kinda retroactively makes Celestia’s forgiveness feel cheap and hollow.
followed by
Oh right. They can’t do that, because that would require Celestia to have been written well.
First Place would be Luna’s arc being about making things up with Celestia. No Tantabus and no DPDOMS.
Second Place would be a version of DPDOMS that takes place in a version of the show where Celestia had been written well enough to be included.
Third Place is the version of DPDOMS that we got.
Luna was good to start with, then she overreacted, turned evil, and turned good again. Does she lose the ability to be held to any kind of standard because she used to be a villain? Why would turning evil make you less deserving of criticism?
Besides which, the Tantabus ordeal happened after her turn to good.
It’s because Luna cleans up her messes and learns from her mistakes, and Celestia gets Twilight to clean up her messes and never thinks about them again. It’s because Luna is purposefully flawed in a way that makes her interesting, and Celestia is flawed and the show pretends that she isn’t.
A “bad reason” is exactly what Luna had as well:
Ponies are sleeping during my night → cause Eternal night, turn evil when my sister asks me to lower it
I really hope that’s not considered a sensible reaction to envy.
It’s not a sensible reaction to envy, which is why Luna punishes herself for it. It’s an understandable reaction that makes narrative sense. It’s a cosmic version of a mistake that an ordinary person might make.
“I started a cult, and then travelled back in time to change history because my best friend moved away” is too weird and abstract to be relatable.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174901

Dragonpone
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I do sometimes poke fun at Opaline’s “I’m gonna ruin Equestria and be mad for a thousand years because Celestia didn’t return my girl-crush” motive, but honestly aside from a scant few “reasonable” motivations, the vast majority of big MLP villains are either evil for the fun of it, or extraordinarily petty. Which is better is a matter of opinion, I suppose.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174900

AC97
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I mean you can’t have it both ways, she can’t be both a useless waste whose inclusion would be tone-deaf (and only in a meta sense, the characters obviously don’t feel that way in-story) while also being a player whose lack of appearance is a criticism that reflects poorly on her, since she’s apparently supposed to show up to give Luna the forgiveness she already unquestioningly gave her in episode 2 of the series.
How is she even supposed to win here? Celestia shows up, you say that it’s tone-deaf, and she regurgitates the same thing she already said to Luna because I guess she just needed to hear it twice?
Yep. Again, the S5 episode is more about Luna forgiving herself, her friends helping her through it, the ones she wronged most recently, not Celestia, who, to repeat, forgave her instantly in the series premiere.
Maybe the unpopular opinion is feeling like the episode wasn’t necessarily lesser without Celestia there, even though this was at least in part because of how packed in the episode was from a meta standpoint; you can argue that maybe the episode would’ve benefitted by being a two-parter, in much the same way Keep Calm and Flutter On probably would’ve, or MMC.
A “bad reason” is exactly what Luna had as well:
Ponies are sleeping during my night → cause Eternal night, turn evil when my sister asks me to lower it
I really hope that’s not considered a sensible reaction to envy.
Luna tends to get more leeway in the fandom at large because a larger majority of people like her, therefore they’re more inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt in developed headcanons and such. Yes, you do get a building block or two more than Starlight did, in how her dynamic with Celestia is, but it’s still the case that at face value, it’s astronomically petty (pun intended). You can also say the same about Trixie, and how Twilight didn’t even try to do anything to her.
Honestly, it’s been a recurring thing for me that I think it’s potentially easier to get the mindsets of Celestia and Cadance, than it is for Luna, because I can’t help but think her characterization can be a little… muddy at times… maybe it’s just me.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174899

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I mean, almost killing Celestia, striking those guards, and several attempts at harming the Mane 6 are already pretty bad. We downplay it, because fiction, but I could understand why Luna might feel guilt about that, even if it is rather extreme.
My headcanon has always been that the widespread suffering she blames herself for is the way she deprived Equestria of a dream guardian. Luna’s the only pony capable of travelling from dream to dream, the only one with the opportunity of working in the intimate setting of the Dreamscape. And for 1000 years she wasn’t there for them. All the ponies that could’ve used her help with their traumas, and emotions, and she wasn’t there. Because of herself. I can see the guilt coming from that being immense. It’s all Nightmare Moon’s fault, but NMM is part of Luna, not a separate entity she can throw the blame onto (it’s also why I dislike the idea of Luna’s corruption being caused by an external force, and why I feel like the Tantabus being a conscious creation is far stronger from a narrative perspective).
With that episode having such focus on Luna’s dream powers it really does feel an angle worth exploring. And yeah, Celestia should’ve been involved as well.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174898

Dragonpone
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After how Celestia is characterized in Twilight’s Kingdom, including her in this episode would have been completely tone-deaf. Like, what would Celestia even say? “Just get Twilight to fix it and then never think about it again. Works for me!” This is an episode about taking responsibility, and Celestia lives in a world where you don’t have to do that. Her not being in this episode is yet another symptom of how she’s written.
I mean you can’t have it both ways, she can’t be both a useless waste whose inclusion would be tone-deaf (and only in a meta sense, the characters obviously don’t feel that way in-story) while also being a player whose lack of appearance is a criticism that reflects poorly on her, since she’s apparently supposed to show up to give Luna the forgiveness she already unquestioningly gave her in episode 2 of the series.
How is she even supposed to win here? Celestia shows up, you say that it’s tone-deaf, and she regurgitates the same thing she already said to Luna because I guess she just needed to hear it twice?
@Dragonpone
We hold good to higher standards. That’s what makes it “good”. And we expect the “Big Good” to be a voice of reason and know better.
Luna was good to start with, then she overreacted, turned evil, and turned good again. Does she lose the ability to be held to any kind of standard because she used to be a villain? Why would turning evil make you less deserving of criticism?
Besides which, the Tantabus ordeal happened after her turn to good.
I think Starlight’s backstory is a lesson in how “no reason” is better than “a bad reason”.
A “bad reason” is exactly what Luna had as well:
Ponies are sleeping during my night → cause Eternal night, turn evil when my sister asks me to lower it
I really hope that’s not considered a sensible reaction to envy.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174897

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Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep? Is overrated (lol jk)
But for my money, I put, at the very least, both Amending Fences and Crusaders of the Lost Mark ahead of it, as far as season 5 episodes go. The former, I’m guessing, is at least partially due to the fact that I’m a much bigger Twilight fan than a Luna fan, so I find Twilight dealing with her past and trying to make amends with Moondancer more compelling than Luna’s self-flagellation for her past. For the latter, it might be partially due to the fact that, again, I love the CMC slightly more than Luna, but I think it’s more due to the fact that it was a musical episode, where all the music (not just the songs) was done by Daniel Ingram, and I absolutely loved all 4 of those. Plus, the whole cutie mark thing was super emotional - adding to that was that the night before, I literally dreamed they would get their cutie marks, then scolded myself when I awoke for getting my hopes up over something that wouldn’t happen.
I think it also has to do with the fact that Luna was so popular (and in a certain sense, still is) that she seemed to suck the oxygen away from anyone else, and I bristled at that sort of thing, especially back then. (Though I still loved her and Celestia’s cameo as fillies in Sunny Side Up)

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174896

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So I take it the moral of the story is Luna must never be criticized or hated, and if you dare speak ill of her or just dislike her then you’ve pretty much signed your will. But it’s always open season for Celestia.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174895

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[…] I think it’s rather unfair that in an episode where the reality-threatening danger was directly created by Luna, in an episode where Luna herself refuses to seek her sisters help or guidance, Celestia is still somehow the biggest criticism.
Well, you start with the fact that Celestia wasn’t in the episode, and work backwards. Luna doesn’t seek Celestia’s help or guidance. Why?
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(It’s because up to this point, Celestia has been useless in a crisis and consistently made bad decisions, and because her relationship with Luna hadn’t been properly fleshed out.)
After how Celestia is characterized in Twilight’s Kingdom, including her in this episode would have been completely tone-deaf. Like, what would Celestia even say? “Just get Twilight to fix it and then never think about it again. Works for me!” This is an episode about taking responsibility, and Celestia lives in a world where you don’t have to do that. Her not being in this episode is yet another symptom of how she’s written.
Which brings me to:
Another problem was that Luna’s guilt and self-loathing seemed exaggerated, because if we look strictly at the events shown, Luna didn’t really do much harm, certainly not enough to warrant creating the tantabus to torture herself.
if we look strictly at the events shown
And there’s your problem. You have to look at what the events mean to the character. Luna and her sister were supposed to maintain harmony. Instead, Luna lost control. In a fit of anger, she attacked her own sister and destroyed the castle they built together. For 1,000 years, Equestria was down an alicorn, and her sister was forced to rule alone.
The reason that Luna is such a compelling character is that she takes responsibility for her actions. And her emotional journey is about the difference between constructive and non-constructive ways of doing that.
[…] everything Celestia does is put under such heavy scrutiny.
We hold good to higher standards. That’s what makes it “good”. And we expect the “Big Good” to be a voice of reason and know better.
I think Starlight’s backstory is a lesson in how “no reason” is better than “a bad reason”.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174894

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@kleptomage
Probably a mix of “what could have happened”, the thousand years of pain she caused her sister, abandoning anyone in that time who cared about her, and possibly offscreen villany. (For instance, in my headcanon Nightmare Moon was the form Luna took in the dream realm lon before she assumed it in reality - and the dreams she brought are why Equestria remembers her as a foal-gobbling boogeymare rather than for the extended night thing.
And it felt like a very Season Five episode, if you know what I mean?

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174893

Dragonpone
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The fact that she was ultimately stopped means none of her actions or intentions were much of an issue? She had every intention of forcing eternal night, and in the timeline where she succeeds, does indeed become a dictator and banishes Celestia (all just because she was feeling jealous).
Mind, I’m not necessarily saying I disagree with this view in this friendship-themed children’s show, I just want some consistency; If her not causing any long-term damage is fine, the same should apply to every one, including the results of Celestia’s mistakes.
I like Celestia and Luna, but I will say it’s pretty annoying how all of Luna’s faults, including the two times she directly caused a major threat to Equestria with her own two hooves (and for such a minor reason, I will never understand how Starlight’s disproportionate motivation is treated as such an outlier when you can list the number of major villains in this franchise with aspirations comparable to their motivations on a hand that’s been through a wood-chipper), are brushed aside as minor inconveniences when everything Celestia does is put under such heavy scrutiny.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174892

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I agree that Celestia being absent in Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep was a problem with the episode. Another problem was that Luna’s guilt and self-loathing seemed exaggerated, because if we look strictly at the events shown, Luna didn’t really do much harm, certainly not enough to warrant creating the tantabus to torture herself. Her rebellion amounted to a brief fight with her sister, an unusually long night, and inconveniencing the Mane Six. It’s not like she killed anyone.
I enjoyed Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep. It’s visually spectacular. But the episode’s premise is flawed. Also, it was the kind of Luna episode that should have aired in an earlier season.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174891

Dragonpone
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If we’re giving Celestia hell for deciding to free Discord, I think it’s rather unfair that in an episode where the reality-threatening danger was directly created by Luna, in an episode where Luna herself refuses to seek her sisters help or guidance, Celestia is still somehow the biggest criticism.

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174890

Pony Discussion » Unpopular opinion time » Post 174889

DerpyFast
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@Latecomer
So, I really do want to re-emphasize that I think Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep represents the absolute peak of the show. But in the back of my mind, I know that the moment of forgiveness should have come from Celestia, since Luna’s betrayal was the inciting incident for the whole show. And that The Tantabus and DPDOMS itself only exist because Luna’s arc wouldn’t have an emotional climax otherwise. And while I think the episode is the pinnacle of “making it work”, it’s really ironic that the biggest criticism you can direct at Luna’s arc stems from them not developing Celestia enough.
Anyways, that’s partly why I think Misty Brightdawn had a better arc than Luna.

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*Durgon Noises*
Sheesh, all this talk about the word “overrated” being associated with elitism just reeks of Slippery Slope Fallacy to me. And if there’s one thing I learned from 2010’s internet research it’s never trust arguments that rely on logical fallacies.
BTW, “Not really my thing.” sounds way to cliche to me.

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I see. I really do appreciate your analysis of Celestia. If I ever make a fanfiction of mlp, I do want to give more emphasis to Celestia and Luna’s relationship. There’s so much untapped potential between them.
@Latecomer
Twilight and Celestia having more relationship moments. Even conflicts would be really nice to have had.

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