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Roseluck
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Me too. For all its faults, I respect the hell out of the drive to keep working on it.
It’s more envy for me. But I’m envious of everyone who can develop a story, especially to completion, since I can’t even string together one chapter no matter how many premises I have in my head.
So like I said I’ve been delving into Fallout: Equestria. But well… it’s hard to find a fic that doesn’t include rape. It’s like a staple of the genre, almost always there, like cannibals in the games.
Including the original fic. That was a nasty surprise, especially considering who the victims were.
Maybe it’s fitting that Fallout: Equestria’s acronym is just one colon away from Fall of Equestria’s

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DerpyFast
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You probably could, alternatively, for instance, have Twilight… obsessively pursue a means of time travel, and keep going, and going, until she learns more, and then return to the present when she’s done. All she has to do is keep herself hidden somehow (there are invisibility spells in canon, for instance), and observe… if you’re not dealing with that Special Potion.
If it sounds implausible, you’d think Celestia would know what kingdom Tirek came from, on account of how that kidnapped unicorn incident went, and that there’d be some sort of records for where Cozy Glow had lived, somewhere… Chrysalis, I’d probably give you that one, on account of how hard it’d be to track her down during her younger years.
There has to be a couple of changelings old enough to offer some insight into Chrysalis. But that just reveals another problem with the comic: Twilight doesn’t consider how the changelings might feel about their former ruler being freed from stone, especially considering they were the ones who overthrew her.
I had an idea for a scene where Twilight does manage to reach them, and they tear a strip off her for not doing her research.
Tirek: “You had all of Equestria’s resources, and no time limit. And you didn’t do any research before coming here.”
Chrysalis: “When I was in charge and needed something done, I used everything at my disposal.”
Cozy: “So much for ‘doing your homework’.”
Tirek: “Twilight, I have been alive for over 1,000 years.”
Chrysalis: “I ruled my hive since before you were born.”
Tirek: “We are not troubled teens in some young adult novel.”
Chrysalis: “Well, the brat might be.”
Cozy: “Pfff. As if. I’m not Jareth, I’m Jeremy.”
Chrysalis: “So Twilight, what was your plan if we weren’t interested in your little group therapy session?”
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AC97
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There’s so much wrong with it that I keep flip-flopping on whether “Fix Abridged” would be worth the trouble of making.
“Hey boss. The thought occurs. These changelings aren’t anything like what our employer described. Kinda seems like we’d be committing genocide here. Shouldn’t we at least have a scene where we have second thoughts about this?”
“No. We’re supposed to be one-dimensional monsters that only exist to make Chrysalis look sympathetic.”
“Okay… Then why did the comic go to the trouble of humanizing us?”
“Just shut up and do your job.”
Chrysalis: “And that’s what I meant by ‘since I was small’!”
Twilight: “You were literally the biggest thing in the flashback.”
Lol. It does sound like it could be quite the amusing thing with a good amount of potential. Also, they were… really stupid in multiple ways in how they went about doing it.
@Penguin Dragneel
It feels kind of… checklist-y, in how it went about addressing it. I think it’s also interesting that her logic of “take away the darkness there’s nothing left” is being used, while it’s also simultaneously true that, say, Chrysalis has shown pretty much next to no redeeming qualities, especially not around her or anyone she knows… it’s like, it’s even more apparent that her mindset behind this is contrived.
She knows that some can be beyond change, and she’s directly seen at least one of them reject it and completely double down, but she’s willing to more or less throw her life away, without consulting Spike, or any of her friends, on if a better way might exist, all for her, in the end, selfish desire to possibly see them change, the possible repercussions to the world be damned if she isn’t succeeding? What would’ve constituted her definition of “failure?” Reaching none of them? “Only” reaching one, two of them? Far be it for the comic to address that.
It really is… an interesting way to go about it when a character is treating something that far outside of their control as a reason they pretty much can’t go on, and the heroes are all okay with this. The implications for such a thing are… not good at all, when you stop to think about it.
@DerpyFast
You probably could, alternatively, for instance, have Twilight… obsessively pursue a means of time travel, and keep going, and going, until she learns more, and then return to the present when she’s done. All she has to do is keep herself hidden somehow (there are invisibility spells in canon, for instance), and observe… if you’re not dealing with that Special Potion.
If it sounds implausible, you’d think Celestia would know what kingdom Tirek came from, on account of how that kidnapped unicorn incident went, and that there’d be some sort of records for where Cozy Glow had lived, somewhere… Chrysalis, I’d probably give you that one, on account of how hard it’d be to track her down during her younger years.

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DerpyFast
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That said, as far as venting is concerned, I do hope that at least it’s actually cathartic for DeusExEquus.
Me too. For all its faults, I respect the hell out of the drive to keep working on it.
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Roseluck
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A lot of stories more or less centered around killing/curb-stomping caribou somehow, too.
Can’t say I’m surprised. When DerpyFast mentioned how many spin-offs it had, because of the subject matter, I figured it meant Fall of Equestria had pulled a Conversion Bureau: a pitched battle between supporters and haters of the universe. Or between “ponies, the master race” and “humanity, the REAL master race” from what little I’ve heard…
Not that I know much about that universe either, I somehow managed to avoid all drama on FIMFiction. Even though I joined the fandom between Twilicorn and Equestria Girls.
(…) They’re an entire race of Villain Stus.
Well, seems they got the supremacist’s ego trip thing I hinted at alright.
I don’t think I was aware that it started as a fic.
Like I said, I didn’t pay much attention. I just assumed it started as a fic, because I was on FIMFiction when I learned about it. Didn’t really think much about other media when I did, I never even watched all the abridged series/MLP is Witcraft/whatever that were all the rage on YouTube back then.
That’s how the magic works in Fix. The only possible way Twilight can see their backstories is to turn herself to stone.
That’s hilarious, considering we’ve got Zecora in canon… who’s always been a plot device rather than a character. Twilight needs a plot coupon to the next step in the episode? Zecora shows up, either with wisdom about time travel, the flashback potion AC97 mentioned, and probably more I forgot.
Maybe before the comic, Princess Twilight went to her hut for an easy answer and only found a note taped to her door: My sincerest apologies for the hassle, but your plot device is in another castle.
Seriously though, Fix… never cared much for it. Because I don’t care for the terrible trio to begin with. Didn’t even watch the last two seasons. Now, a comic about Tirek alone, I’d love. Especially if she somehow teamed up with either Rainbow, Starlight, or both.
That said, as far as venting is concerned, I do hope that at least it’s actually cathartic for DeusExEquus. If I were to draw/write something to vent about what I hate in G4, I’d only feel worse because it’d be twisting the knife in the wound rather than closure.
Hell, I can’t even write regular stories about it because there’s so much I find wrong in the franchise. Hence why I went for ‘merely’ drawing and mulling about writing Fallout: Equestria fics and/or comics.
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Penguin Dragneel
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Another page of Fix came out. Seems like the author’s caught on to some of the criticism, because they’ve handwaved what happened regarding Sombra and the Storm King in the series as being “out of Twilight’s control.”
I’m calling bulls##t.

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DerpyFast
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There were so many more sensible things Twilight could’ve done that didn’t include turning herself to stone and giving control to Celestia and Luna. Like, she could’ve decided to ask Luna how to dreamwalk, for her desired purpose of understanding them (she has an indefinite amount of time to figure this out, if she feels so inclined, free them from stone and keep them contained another way while she figures it out, need not get them involved), or she could’ve brought that Deus Ex Flashback Potion from Princess Twilight Sparkle, that is, the S4 premiere, into play.
There’s so much wrong with it that I keep flip-flopping on whether “Fix Abridged” would be worth the trouble of making.
“Hey boss. The thought occurs. These changelings aren’t anything like what our employer described. Kinda seems like we’d be committing genocide here. Shouldn’t we at least have a scene where we have second thoughts about this?”
“No. We’re supposed to be one-dimensional monsters that only exist to make Chrysalis look sympathetic.”
“Okay… Then why did the comic go to the trouble of humanizing us?”
“Just shut up and do your job.”
Chrysalis: “And that’s what I meant by ‘since I was small’!”
Twilight: “You were literally the biggest thing in the flashback.”
FOE stuff
Really, it’s like someone looked up the atrocities committed by warlords and went “Okay, what about that, but with cartoon ponies?”
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AC97
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I’d thought a bit about an old fanfic with an interesting concept, “The Ultimate Alicorn,” and I think that portrayal of Tirek never made sense, even within the context of just S4; he probably wouldn’t kill all of his leverage in an attempt to break Twilight’s spirit, after she ran off to get the Amulet. He’d be more likely to torture one of them, maybe kill one. Tirek doesn’t seem to be much of a gambling type, and doing what he did there, even absent the Amulet being found on Twilight’s part, would’ve done one of two things: break her spirit… or Twilight has nothing to lose in her eyes, be pretty much bloodlusted, and will resort to anything, probably up to and including learning and using dark magic to kill him.
I liked it still, but it just… isn’t too logical about how contrived it is, to get to that point. It seems more like something Chrysalis might’ve done, but even then, I’m not sure…
…probably not the ideal thread for that. Ah well.
Fall of Equestria is the one with the Caribou, right? I wasn’t aware it went beyond just one fic from just one author. Shows the attention I paid to the FIMFiction community.
Yep, got it in one, and yes, there’s definitely more than one fic on the matter. A lot of stories more or less centered around killing/curb-stomping caribou somehow, too.
Funnily enough, this reminded me of something else that launched a thousand fics. A Canterlot Wedding spawned its own group of accusation fics back then. The one story I remember being good, like the author merely took an opportunity to explore what-ifs and ran with it rather than, well, venting their rage (whether at the episode or its reaction fics), turns out to have included Caribou.
As in, the species. They had nothing to do with the Caesar’s Legion 2.0 of FoE, other than (understandably) triggering several red flags among the readers when they showed up. Incidentally how I learned about FoE’s Caribou were even a thing to begin with.
…Interesting to note, and yeah, ACW did result in a lot of that stuff.
For example, I read this one fix fic of The Mysterious Mare Do Well where after the episode, the Mane 5 throw Rainbow Dash a party to congratulate her for her heroism and during it, Dash nonchalantly says about how the whole dilemma was really making her feel and her friends felt bad for their actions. In that fic, it worked because all the characters were in-character, it didn’t make it all melodramatic with its tone and had an understanding of the episode. If “Fix” was more like that, then maybe I would see what they were coming from but the harsh and whiny tone of it all kept me away combined with the author’s ramblings.
Yeah, that sounds like a fic where it’s somewhat evenhanded, doesn’t devolve too far into that thing.
There were so many more sensible things Twilight could’ve done that didn’t include turning herself to stone and giving control to Celestia and Luna. Like, she could’ve decided to ask Luna how to dreamwalk, for her desired purpose of understanding them (she has an indefinite amount of time to figure this out, if she feels so inclined, free them from stone and keep them contained another way while she figures it out, need not get them involved), or she could’ve brought that Deus Ex Flashback Potion from Princess Twilight Sparkle, that is, the S4 premiere, into play.
You can also try a “unite against common enemy” thing, under some circumstance, probably.
@DerpyFast
I think it might’ve started as art commissions, and turned into fics/spawned them. I’m not entirely sure. One of the “biggest” stories that used to be in “FOE canon,” Bruised Apples, turned out to be, more or less, a grand deception on the part of the author to show how nonsensical the story was, under its established facts, how it realistically wouldn’t last, if they’d even logically take over to begin with… so it built up to having Big Mac snap the Caribou King’s neck, ultimately; he didn’t see himself as a hero for doing that, after the fact.
It fell out of canon because it’s basically a rule that in FOE “canon,” the caribou cannot lose, more or less. That’s one more factor to add to why it’s loathed so much as a setting/premise, because not only are they complete scum, even in ways that don’t make sense, their entire “culture” being to dominate and degrade the other sex, but they’re supposed to be too OP to lose. They’re an entire race of Villain Stus.

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DerpyFast
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@Roseluck
I don’t think I was aware that it started as a fic. I just remember Smudge Proof taking emergency commissions to pay medical bills, then a bunch of pictures started cropping up. I’ve since lost track of how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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Penguin Dragneel
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@AC97
I think at this point, the people in the comments section are just as bad as the fanfic itself.
It doesn’t matter how you word your argument, or how in-depth and complete it is. If it even remotely goes against what those folks say, they will try and tear you from limb to limb. They will insult you, demean you, and do anything they can to try and get you falsely outed as a troll.
No, I’m not exaggerating. That’s exactly what it feels like.

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Myoozik
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@AC97
That’s really what happens when you let your emotions get to you when it comes to writing a fix fic, you just sound whiny and an excuse to complain without ever really “fixing” things. I get that it has “fic” in its name meaning that it doesn’t always have to adhere to the rules of the source material and it’s all creative liberty, but I feel like when it comes to these kinds of fanfictions, you have to make it at least consistent to the source material if you want your point to get across easier. For example, I read this one fix fic of The Mysterious Mare Do Well where after the episode, the Mane 5 throw Rainbow Dash a party to congratulate her for her heroism and during it, Dash nonchalantly says about how the whole dilemma was really making her feel and her friends felt bad for their actions. In that fic, it worked because all the characters were in-character, it didn’t make it all melodramatic with its tone and had an understanding of the episode. If “Fix” was more like that, then maybe I would see what they were coming from but the harsh and whiny tone of it all kept me away combined with the author’s ramblings.
About the fic itself, if Twilight wanted to feel bad for stoning them, I feel like there should be a valid excuse for it like doing more research about the three, getting more information from the two Princesses or even some outside force breaking them free and causing even more havoc for her to realize that it wasn’t the best option. That and actually understand Twilight more as a character instead of rewriting her to be a mouthpiece.

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Roseluck
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@DerpyFast
@AC97
Fall of Equestria is the one with the Caribou, right? I wasn’t aware it went beyond just one fic from just one author. Shows the attention I paid to the FIMFiction community.
Funnily enough, this reminded me of something else that launched a thousand fics. A Canterlot Wedding spawned its own group of accusation fics back then. The one story I remember being good, like the author merely took an opportunity to explore what-ifs and ran with it rather than, well, venting their rage (whether at the episode or its reaction fics), turns out to have included Caribou.
As in, the species. They had nothing to do with the Caesar’s Legion 2.0 of FoE, other than (understandably) triggering several red flags among the readers when they showed up. Incidentally how I learned about FoE’s Caribou were even a thing to begin with.
Here’s the link for those interested: A Different Bridal Path by Stainless Steel Fox.
(I’ll reread it when I have time, to make sure I didn’t remember it wrong and therefore gave ‘false advertising’ by mistake.)

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AC97
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@DerpyFast
It’s not like the premise makes any damn sense either, for a myriad of reasons, and yes, it’s extremely gratuitous by nature, to say the least. I’ve pretty much only gotten enjoyment out of things that ultimately tear it apart as a setting, in the end, somehow, and if that’s a bit childish by nature, I’m fine with that, in that case.

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DerpyFast
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You know what really pisses me off about Fall of Equestria and the million spin-offs its gotten? Actual horses are treated with more dignity and respect.

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AC97
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So there’s this comic that caught my eye called “Fix” which like the title says, is a fix fic/vent piece towards the Season 9 finale. I skimmed most of it because I knew what I was getting into but on one of the recent panels, I read the description and I do have something to say there. I can understand his frustration over the Princesses choosing to stone the Trio instead of trying to redeem them and I can somewhat get his point about how it goes against the idea of friendship and all that, but I drew the line over the claims that it “ruined the entire show” cause it just sounded like exaggeration. That entire finale coloring their perception of the whole show is just absurdly ludicrous and I really can’t get behind that thinking. It sounded like they were treating the whole thing way way too seriously and it’s just dumb to me. That and another description I read where they said that they can’t watch G5 because of the finale is also pretty stupid.
It’s pretty much why I’m not a fan of fix fics cause most of the time it just seems like excuses for the author to vent out and whine by using the characters as mouthpieces.
I found it absolutely insufferable how Twilight had the gall to bring up Sombra in the context of how banishing them and such fails, “perpetuates the cycle,” despite being perfectly fine with how he was dealt with both times (dying), and how heavy-handed the Designated AntagonistsTM always were, between the attempted changeling genociders (Chrysalis would be gleefully gloating about getting “justice” in canon if that actually happened, so I cannot accept that backstory as being remotely rational, period), or how Celestia and Luna approached banishing them with cartoonishly evil gloating.
If you want them to be reformed, fair enough, but if you’re changing literally nothing about what happened before, despite loathing it, all so you can, as you said, using a character as a mouthpiece, or otherwise use it as a vehicle for a rant, you’ve fucked up from a storytelling perspective, and it’s questionable you’re even Fix-ing anything to begin with.
From an in-universe perspective, it just doesn’t make sense to me for Twilight’s perspective on them to inexplicably change to “I can’t deal with the failure” (to such an extreme of suicide connotations in the letter, and her actions… and she gives control to the two she had such a problem with what they did, completely ignoring that if she never got out, it’s impossible for her to affect things further) when she’s been perfectly fine with Tirek sitting in Tartarus for five full seasons, and more than likely feeling similar regarding Chrysalis, had she been imprisoned or something. It’s not like she’d suddenly “know” that they could be reached, or come to believe they can, without explanation (no, nightmares aren’t an explanation). I could believe she’d be more torn on how Cozy went, but… that’s how a story failed to get me sold on its premise, more or less.
Somehow, as DerpyFast said, Twilight managed to make it all about her.
It’s also a case of where an inconsistent mindset, not getting an editor can get you, with them flip-flopping between the above “Twilight hates what those two did so much she can’t deal with it but she’s giving them control again,” or something like saying showing abuse you can’t do justice, and it’s too dark, but then showing attempted genocide is somehow fine.
…but yeah, that’s the “basic” rundown, I think. It’s a case where someone’s emotions on a matter… consumed them, it looks like.
I feel like some people really need to let it go when it comes to their hatred of a character. There’s a difference between hating and disliking a character and hating and disliking a character incessantly and making sure everyone knows about it. Especially prevalent in places that don’t even mention said character or is contextually different but still use it as excuses to regurgitate the same points over and over again.
This.
It’s annoying as all get out and makes Fun Discourse more or less… impossible, so you’re not inclined to bother. I think we both know which character in the show we’re thinking of; there’s even… art to attest to this. I feel like I’d be annoyed at it even if I disliked them/was lukewarm.

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Myoozik
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I feel like some people really need to let it go when it comes to their hatred of a character. There’s a difference between hating and disliking a character and hating and disliking a character incessantly and making sure everyone knows about it. Especially prevalent in places that don’t even mention said character or is contextually different but still use it as excuses to regurgitate the same points over and over again.

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