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My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
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@Background Pony #1928
@lonewolf
Worth noting is that the comment section of that post got locked. I'm unsure if there were any specific comments that caused it to be locked, but I did see some that I found pretty cringy, especially the doomsaying ones saying "THIS IS THE END OF THE FANDOM, GUYZ!" Need I remind this is the same fandom that had to deal with one of our most popular members (ToonKriticY2K) being a pedophile? If we can survive that, we can survive this.

Hay, we're (allegedly, but still) all Nazis now as well, but we're still here, aren't we?

@GrimDarkSurvivor
"What Are Bronies?" By now people should know what a brony is and isn't just like with the furries.

People still don't know what furries are really like. Blame mass media. The truth is less spectacular and sells worse than prejudices à la "Fur and Loathing".

@Twiface
@PUBLIQclopAccountant
I'm assuming that you meant that everything happened in roughly the same order but shifted 3 or 4 years later,

Yes. I suspect that if the show had first aired post-Gamergate, then I think it would have likely been 'claimed' by one side or the other pretty quickly, resulting in a smaller but perhaps more activistic fanbase (e.g. if 4chan claimed it, the fandom would focus on memes, waifus, and porn and most left-wingers would dismiss it as 'fanservice for misogynists,' but if Tumblr/Reddit/Twitter claimed it, the fandom would play up the diverse-mlp-headcanons and 'redefining masculinity' stuff from its early years and right-wingers would regard it the same way they regard Steven Universe).

The above example, of course, is predicated upon the show itself and its creators being exactly the same as they were in 2010-12. I think if the exact same writers were creating it from scratch today (or even in 2014), it would probably look different.

Just wanted to say that.

The fandom had a not exactly small influence on the show. Now imagine the show with a different fandom, e.g. one ripe with extremist SJWs like the Steven Universe fandom used to be. I'm pretty confident that even the creators wouldn't be exactly the same, what with some of them quitting over the toxicism that the fandom would have developed.

@PUBLIQclopAccountant
2. People going REEEEEEEE over just how delightfully contradictory and nonsensical these are. They're big mad that someone dares to parody the inclusivity movement.
3. People going REEEEEEEE over the headcanons being 6woke9me without realizing that they're probably mostly parody and downvote-bait.
In any case, the diverse-mlp-headcanons tag should imply, if nothing else, downvote bait.

These two both probably. And both factions have understood the trick of restarting your router and getting a new IP so you can downvote more often. Not to mention dragging their likes here to cast votes.

@Latecomer
I'm pretty sure the default of pony sites being independent is less to do with era and more to do with the initial backlash against bronies. Many sites banned pony stuff outright, so it's natural independent spaces would form.

This. One of the reasons why this fandom barely stepped out of 4chan before the end of 2010.

And before the issue of banning the entire fandom had disappeared, the fandom had grown so huge that it didn't need big corporate social media anymore because it could make its own instances of almost everything that'd be devoid of haters from outside the fandom. And so it did. Just about the only thing that arrived late was pony video portals.
doloresbridge
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My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

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@PUBLIQclopAccountant
What is the appeal in basing your fandom on some other social media site? It makes sense if you're lazy and cheap (no infrastructure bills), but also gives your fandom less staying power, as it disappears into the cold storage backups once it is no longer constantly discussed because something else has caught the attention of the (now former, I guess) fans

In my vary casual observation this is a trend I've seen myself. Though you could aruge that there is a lot of things that wouldn't have a fandom without social media.

Frankly, I prefer having islands outside of it myself (here, fimfic, my own little tiny conors that no one has heard of.)


The longer response is that I find diverse-mlp-headcanons to be my new most funny tag on this site. Those are some amazingly galaxy-brained opinions.

There from the tumblr blog Wow, I didn't know these were here. Been a looong time since I've seen those.

I remember this one in particular. A spicy take indeed though I think a lot of these could be genuine takes considering the source Not to say that someone could be uploading them for downvote bait and it wouldn't surprise me if some of them were trolling the blog owner.
Latecomer

@PUBLIQclopAccountant
Fair point. I wonder if there would be a way to write up a human interest story on the lives of the victims without making the focus on the emotional devastation their loved ones are going through. Less "here's how sad their families are" and more "here's what these people were alike while they were still alive".

Probably. Don't know how popular it would be, though — normal people's everyday lives aren't usually that newsworthy, and a sudden stop at the end doesn't nescessarily change that.

What is the appeal in basing your fandom on some other social media site?

I'm pretty sure the default of pony sites being independent is less to do with era and more to do with the initial backlash against bronies. Many sites banned pony stuff outright, so it's natural independent spaces would form.
PUBLIQclopAccountant
Magical Inkwell - Wrote MLP fanfiction consisting of at least around 1.5k words, and has a verified link to the platform of their choice

Pubilq Phirm
@Latecomer
Fair point. I wonder if there would be a way to write up a human interest story on the lives of the victims without making the focus on the emotional devastation their loved ones are going through. Less "here's how sad their families are" and more "here's what these people were alike while they were still alive".

@doloresbridge
What is the appeal in basing your fandom on some other social media site? It makes sense if you're lazy and cheap (no infrastructure bills), but also gives your fandom less staying power, as it disappears into the cold storage backups once it is no longer constantly discussed because something else has caught the attention of the (now former, I guess) fans. Perhaps that's also why Fandom™ with the capital F doesn't seem to give a toss about any of the actual shows it claims to stan.

@Twiface
I'll start with the short response: if the writers were starting FiM in 2014 or today, what would they do differently?

The longer response is that I find diverse-mlp-headcanons to be my new most funny tag on this site. Those are some amazingly galaxy-brained opinions. A few spicy ones snuck in there, too.

Those are some consistently impressive negative scores. I wonder how much each of the following factors contributed to the avalanche of downvotes.
1. People downvoting text lazily superimposed over art which creates images that are borderline obligatory pony and, when viewed as a whole package, entirely devoid of artistic merit.
2. People going REEEEEEEE over just how delightfully contradictory and nonsensical these are. They're big mad that someone dares to parody the inclusivity movement.
3. People going REEEEEEEE over the headcanons being 6woke9me without realizing that they're probably mostly parody and downvote-bait.
In any case, the diverse-mlp-headcanons tag should imply, if nothing else, downvote bait.

In conclusion, that tag has finally gotten me to square the circle of the following two formerly-contradictory headcanons:
A. Rarity is Sweetie Belle's biomom. "They're sisters". Yeah, right. Why else did their supposed "parents" drop off Sweetie Belle one day in Season 1 and never show up again? Does the show think its viewers are that stupid? Clearly, yes, as their "oops, we forgot to give Scootaloo any parental figures" episode in S9 proved.
B. Rarity is S2M (stallion to mare) trans. No cis woman I know is that high femme.
The neurodiverse fusion headcanon is that Sweetie Belle is an incest baby between Rarity and Cookie Crumbles. Instead of Sweetie Belle being the foal out of Rarity, she's the foal by Rarity out of Cookie Crumbles. That also explains why SB didn't arrive in Ponyville until after she had been weaned.

I'm feeling lazy tonight, so the above idea is free for anyone and everyone to spam on top of some cute Rarity & SB pic and then post in places they know it'll encounter disproportionate pushback.
Twiface

Equine Ear Enthusiast
@PUBLIQclopAccountant
I'm assuming that you meant that everything happened in roughly the same order but shifted 3 or 4 years later,

Yes. I suspect that if the show had first aired post-Gamergate, then I think it would have likely been 'claimed' by one side or the other pretty quickly, resulting in a smaller but perhaps more activistic fanbase (e.g. if 4chan claimed it, the fandom would focus on memes, waifus, and porn and most left-wingers would dismiss it as 'fanservice for misogynists,' but if Tumblr/Reddit/Twitter claimed it, the fandom would play up the diverse-mlp-headcanons and 'redefining masculinity' stuff from its early years and right-wingers would regard it the same way they regard Steven Universe).

The above example, of course, is predicated upon the show itself and its creators being exactly the same as they were in 2010-12. I think if the exact same writers were creating it from scratch today (or even in 2014), it would probably look different.
PUBLIQclopAccountant
Magical Inkwell - Wrote MLP fanfiction consisting of at least around 1.5k words, and has a verified link to the platform of their choice

Pubilq Phirm
@GrimDarkSurvivor
It's rather too late for that, considering that he is equally as dead as his victims.


@Twiface
First, I'm assuming that you meant that everything happened in roughly the same order but shifted 3 or 4 years later, and not that the show still started in 2010 but it wasn't discovered for fandom to develop until after Twilicorn.

It depends on precisely when in 2013 or 2014 you're talking about as to how different it would be. If it was early enough in 2013, then there's a small chance that it ends up developing similarly to the fandom we all know.

Any time later than that, we are forced to contend with the fact that Gamergate and its consequence have been a disaster for online culture. Either GG would have split the fandom as it was forming or FiM would have only caught on on one side of the online culture wars. There could be a slim possibility that two parallel fandoms would have developed, but the near-certain outcome is that MLP would only have caught on within the no-fun zone or among the /mlpol/acks. Either way, it wouldn't be a fandom worth joining.


@Background Pony #9DA8
That makes it sound like there were already red flag laws that should have been invoked but the cops didn't feel like enforcing them before things became deadly.

@Latecomer
I've increasingly arrived at the conclusion that complaints about a lying press generally miss the point. A specific news outlet or journalist may lie, but "the media" as a whole does not have a coordinated agenda and only falls into line due to market pressures.

Newspapers know they must report on tragedies while the bodies are still warm to get the most clicks and cable news does the same to grab the viewers. However, there is often very little newsworthy in the critical click period. Instead, each new fact is treated with the potential of being the key to the whole story and given a separate article.

Another reason why the news lies to us so often is that the people who are most willing to talk to a journalist in the first place are those who wish to push a specific agenda. Lonewolf's Rolling Stone link and last year's Nazi brony panic are both prime examples of journalists echoing politically motivated sources in action (not to speak of the NYT leaking "evidence" of WMDs in Iraq). There is not enough real journalism to go around, so tips and leads need to fill the void.

That all said, I have to agree that I'm not sure whether more coverage on the victims would help. We all know that coverage on the latest shooter is useless. However, most of us live non-newsworthy lives yet I have yet to meet a single perfectly average person. If such a person existed, that itself would be notable. Coverage of the victims feels like the morally right thing to do, but I can't reasonably see such coverage doing anything to reduce the likelihood of future tragedies.
GrimDarkSurvivor

@Background Pony #9DA8
@GrimDarkSurvivor
"What Are Bronies?" By now people should know what a brony is and isn't just like with the furries. I hope the guy who did the shooting gets the help he needs and I also hope the victims of that shooting learn to forgive and forget.

He was an American working minimum wage with mental health issues, so "the help he needed" literally doesn't exist. His own mother called the cops on him a year ago as a last resort because she knew he was going to do something violent and kill himself (suicide by cop) and nothing came out of it because people have no value in America unless they're rich


Now I can't help but feel sadder for the dude who did the shooting instead of the victims because it reminds me of what this dude is going through over here Death Of an Artist. Minus the suicide because he hasn't killed himself yet.
Background Pony #9DA8
@GrimDarkSurvivor
"What Are Bronies?" By now people should know what a brony is and isn't just like with the furries. I hope the guy who did the shooting gets the help he needs and I also hope the victims of that shooting learn to forgive and forget.

He was an American working minimum wage with mental health issues, so "the help he needed" literally doesn't exist. His own mother called the cops on him a year ago as a last resort because she knew he was going to do something violent and kill himself (suicide by cop) and nothing came out of it because people have no value in America unless they're rich
GrimDarkSurvivor

"What Are Bronies?" By now people should know what a brony is and isn't just like with the furries. I hope the guy who did the shooting gets the help he needs and I also hope the victims of that shooting learn to forgive and forget.
doloresbridge
Preenhub - We all know what you were up to this evening~
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

Peace to all
@ЅℰℒᎯℙℋℐℰℒ
It has been my casual observation that we have held on to certain traits longer due to a relative cultural isolation though I'm not sure I would say that is cultural stagnation.

Then again, my first thoughts is stuff like memes and posting style while you could be meaning something different.
Twiface

Equine Ear Enthusiast
@Latecomer
@ichiban iceychan 1517

As far as I know, none of the Mane Six are going to be featured in G5, so Applejack was already on her way out. This is just a rehash of the "they're gonna kill Applejack!" drama from two years ago.


@Background Pony #1928
I don't remember the ToonKritic drama ever reaching outside of the fandom. People outside the fandom generally dismiss anything brony-related, including fandom drama, because they don't really care. Just like the other incident I mentioned, this will probably blow over in a week or two.
doloresbridge
Preenhub - We all know what you were up to this evening~
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

Peace to all
@lonewolf
I am not seeing too much of a mention in the media mentioning it, so far. We shall see. Generally when things "don't fit" into a pre-established narrative on one side or the other most media will just leave it alone but the ingredients are there for some controversy considering last year.

We shall see.
Background Pony #1928
@lonewolf
Worth noting is that the comment section of that post got locked. I'm unsure if there were any specific comments that caused it to be locked, but I did see some that I found pretty cringy, especially the doomsaying ones saying "THIS IS THE END OF THE FANDOM, GUYZ!" Need I remind this is the same fandom that had to deal with one of our most popular members (ToonKriticY2K) being a pedophile? If we can survive that, we can survive this. Not to mention, the shooter being a brony is a really minor and insignificant thing that had nothing to do with the shooting itself.

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