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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8362

Millennial Dan
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@PonyPon  
@441TheSecond
Just to clarify, you think that because you don’t think it will be very good, not because of any moral reasoning, correct?
It’s not like someone having a (sincere) moral objection to a game is a bad thing. When certain phonies are using manufactured moral outrage for their own personal gain, however, that’s another story entirely.
 
 
@NotYourAverageLurker  
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Arbitrarily narrowing your prospective business team based on political differences? Go for it, your company deserves to fail.
 
 
@Too_Offensive  
Next up in today’s “guess what macky said?” : more anti-fun nonsense!
He’s got to be saying stupid stuff like that on purpose just to get people talking about him. Attention-craving brat.
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Millennial Dan
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@kassarc16  
Which part of that did you want me to watch? I listened to it for a few minutes, and all I heard him doing was complain about Valve and the various aspects of its current business model with regards to Steam, the Greenlight system, and the temporary yank of the game. So what? Unless there’s some portion of that video where he dips into the notion that Valve is obligated to sell the game, he’s not saying anything I care to dispute.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8332

Millennial Dan
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@Background Pony #6BC3  
Don’t spout off with insulting bait like that when you know a full blown argument over the definition of socialism will just derail this thread.
 
If you think I’m trying to defend Valve, you’ve misunderstood me. I have no problem with you saying:
But it’s also bullshit that they won’t sell it when there’s so much other bullshit on greenlight.
In fact, I encourage criticism of a company that makes business moves which you, as their customer, don’t like. This talk of controlling Valve because they’re a “virtual monopoly” is where I draw the line.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8330

Millennial Dan
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@kassarc16  
You can either “tolerate” Valve’s autonomy, or you can make yourself just as bad as the opposition, who think they can push their agenda on everyone who disagrees with them. You don’t have to buy from Steam any more than Steam should have to sell whatever you want. This isn’t about utilities or public goods of any kind, we’re talking about games here. They should be free to do whatever they like, no matter how successful and large they’ve become. If you can force a company to stock a product they don’t wish to carry for whatever reason, that’s outright socialism, and I can tell you right now I’ll fight tooth and nail against that. Wanting journalistic ethics is one thing, and the decay of a free market is quite another.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8324

Millennial Dan
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@Whatevs  
Basically, Steam is such an extremely successful platform that some consider it all but ubiquitous, so now everyone thinks that entitles them to control it publicly. What nonsense. It’d be like forcing Wal-Mart to stock certain things, or facebook to run their site a certain way, just because they have so much market saturation. It’s a terribly flawed argument.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8322

Millennial Dan
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@SeraphimDawn  
Just how do you personally define “censorship”, anyway? I mod several MLP subreddits, and on none of them do we allow explicit porn or gory stuff. Is that censorship? Or are those simply the standards we decided to impose? We’re not bullies just because we don’t want such content in our little space over there.
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Millennial Dan
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@Background Pony #59A6  
When it comes down to perspectives on the game itself, I’ll happily tell you that I despise every inch of Hatred. Aside from the critiques that 411TheSecond has mentioned, and the ones espoused by Niggoslav if you swing that way, my problem is with the primary goal of the experience. I have absolutely no love for wanton, senseless murder, whether it’s fictitious “entertainment” or not. As far as I’m concerned, no one has anything to gain by playing such a game. Don’t assume that means I’m “pro-censorship”, because the right to publish, sell, and purchase the game is not something I’d attack. But I’m vehemently opposed to this kind of content, and I see no reason to act like moral complaints aren’t the primary driving force behind that.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8305

Millennial Dan
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@441TheSecond  
I can’t stress enough how important that is. If anyone wants to criticize Valve’s choice, I say more power to ya, but let’s please not act as though anyone is entitled to have the game on Steam. PC games can be published in other ways, whatever people crying about monopolies may say. Just ask Niggoslav, he seems to know all about such stuff.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8300

Millennial Dan
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@Niggoslav_Krawczyk  
>heavily into ‘guro’
 
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Since that’s not especially relevant, here’s a fun critique of Anita from KiA:
In 2011, YouTube star Hank Green pitched the series Sci Show to YouTube. Green has made it available to the public here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_NWMzYoHbn3d2hYSlBLY1NCY1E/view
Let’s take a look at the numbers and compare it to Feminist Frequency:
Sci Show (year one):
  • 48 episodes: 10 minutes long
  • 144 episodes: 2.5 minutes long
  • TOTAL: 192 episodes, 840 minutes of content
  • BUDGET $493,000 or $596.90 per minute
All episodes released on time and on budget, often longer than what was pitched.
Feminist Frequency:
  • 12 episodes: 10-20 minutes long
  • TOTAL: 12 episodes, 120-240 minutes of content
  • BUDGET (including post-kickstarter donations) $219,922 or $916.34$1832.68 per minute
  • None of the initial 5 videos were delivered by the Dec 2012 due date.
  • Only 3/12 topics have been covered in the past 2 years. Current completion date at this pace is December 2020
Even factoring in the topics of each video being over twice as long as promised (52.5 minutes/topic on average, with a projected 630 minutes total at $349.08/minute) it will still take at the current production pace over seven years to do what Sci Show was able to do in just one
-/u/BigTimStrange
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8293

Millennial Dan
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@441TheSecond  
Well, what’s the alternative? The FBI branding us all terrorists or something? Seems doubtful.
 
 
Referring to the previous topic, this is one of those instances where I don’t agree with what some GG advocates are saying in the least:
 
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That’s just great. These people are essentially saying the government should force Valve to carry a product they don’t want to carry. This is downright ignorant, the opposite of a free and fair marketplace.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8285

Millennial Dan
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My thoughts on this censorship stuff are that Steam and Valve can at their leisure make and sell whatever they want. If they decide to make a cruddy, offensive game, that’s their choice, but we consumers do have every right to trash-talk it. And upon seeing that the game is not making them look good, pulling it might be their best option. It’s all business, at the end of the day. As a company, Target Australia also had the right to pull GTA off the shelves to avoid controversy. I’m not really going to get too worked up unless the government is the one telling these guys they can’t sell these games. And that, of course, is certainly happening in some places, and it needs to stop.
 
In answer to the question, “What if something you like becomes so controversial that stores won’t stock it? Would you be okay with that?” The fake Bible-ban petition would be one way to provide a for-instance, and of course, I would not be okay with that. I’d be inclined to tell the retailers who caved to such pressure exactly what I thought of their spinelessness. But I’d still have to acknowledge that it’s their prerogative to stock their shelves as they like.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8238

Millennial Dan
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@rogerSnow  
I suppose I should have been more specific. The Wiki article can certainly be useful in its own way, as you say; it’s just good to keep in mind that it is neither comprehensive nor unbiased, so don’t expect any Pulitzer prize-winning journalistic material in that direction.
 
If you look at the talk pages, particularly anywhere Ryulong and his buddies show up (which is anywhere GG is connected even remotely, like with the Cultural Marxism page), it turns into an outright bureaucratic war zone among the editors.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8147

Millennial Dan
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@rogerSnow  
You know, as far as I’m concerned, things are actually even worse than you think. Society has in general exchanged old atrocities for new ones, and doubtless we’d disagree about what many of them are. We’re on opposite sides of the aisle, as it were, but if our paths cross in the vicinity of advocating journalistic ethics and opposing SJW nonsense, I don’t have any major problems with that. I’m not going to say that just because people I dislike such as Thunderfoot or TAA are siding with me, I’m risking handing society over to Mao Zedong. Most people would call that alarmist hyperbole, which is a bit like what you’ve been saying sounds like.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8096

Millennial Dan
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@rogerSnow  
You might have to back Stalin to go up against Hitler, but it sure doesn’t fuckin’ feel good, and leaves you with a sinking feeling that you might be fucked either way.
Admittedly, this reminds me of a very unpleasant conversation I recently had with someone who was annoyingly insistent that we aren’t being fair to Stalin these days, just because he happened to also have fought against the Nazis. He kept spouting things like, “we’d all be speaking German right now if it weren’t for the USSR.” Stupid.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 8090

Millennial Dan
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@rogerSnow  
Honestly, I’m not about to change my position because some guy I’ve never heard of happens to agree with me. Doesn’t much matter to me who he is or what he’s done, I came to my conclusions about all of this without his help.
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Millennial Dan
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@441TheSecond  
As near as I can tell, Eliza Guager is a woman, and interestingly enough, she’s definitely on Sarkeesian’s side of things. Here’s something she posted on her tumblr.
 
Welcome to the Doll House: the Sexual Deconstruction of TF2’s Toy Soldiers
 
Favorite part:
Pyro can be interpreted as a metaphor of what it takes to survive womanhood/minorityhood as it exists inside the brutal structures of white, western, patriarchal “nerd culture”: to exist faceless, voiceless, bodiless, and buried within as much protective equipment as possible.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 7987

Millennial Dan
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“Gamergate” controversy cost Gawker Media “seven figures” in lost advertising revenue
Now that is a satisfying bit of news.
 
@Exhumed Legume  
Anti-chauvinist? Sure, as long as by that we mean any kind of chauvinist, male or female.
 
Speaking of chauvinists, Kotaku was apparently a bit of a nerd chauvinist back in the day:
 
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Loving the irony of it all, especially since it looks like that was written by a woman.
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Generals » The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things) » Post 7880

Millennial Dan
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@NotYourAverageLurker  
  1. Not relevant  
  2. None of your business  
  3. Shame on you for entertaining bigoted thoughts
     
    @SeraphimDawn  
    I didn’t think any politically unaffiliated charity organizers could be so dumb as to refuse donations from anyone. Oh well, plenty of decent people out there who will put that money to good use.
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