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Jas

eh here is the new Lily Orchard video. Called Glass of Water-Slow and Steady Spoils The Fun. From the thumbnail seems to be Owl House related so the prefect video for someone else to talk about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqB_0BT3Yvo

Though can I just point out that again I find it funny that Lily wants to complain about stuff that spoils peoples fun and yet she again seems to always have a stick up her rear-end.
Jas

@cdcdrr

Which to me is sort of amusing since she does seem to hate lore based stuff in general and you know I'm going to be fair and say it is okay for her to not like lore based stuff. But my issue is that to me at least is that it seems hypocritical to then care about the stuff she has brought up about Sylvanas. I mean it rings hollow how'll she wag her finger at Zelda fans for being upset that anyone would dare bring up how cool it could be to have an option to make a female Link as for me I would be okay with it too. My only issue is the extremist on both sides.
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Also the fawning over Sylvanas is fairly restrained for once. And it's legitimate to say WoW doesn't offer the player choices, even ones that don't break the plot.
Jas

I know this is super old news but I do find it amusing that she acts like Princess Candice is such a perfect mother then will forget the fact that her and Prince Shining Armor just up and showed up to Twilight's home unannounced and just expect her to babysit Flurry Heart while they went to that friends event. Speaking of Princesss Twilight somehow thinking that Twilight would be a horrible mother.
Jas

sorry to double post but saw some interesting links from Kiwi Farms and since the archives always seem to set off Firefox's potential danger thing I'll just have to link to Lily's tumblr. You know provided I can find the post as long as she ain't deleted said post.

https://lily-orchard.tumblr.com/post/620028118571335680/concept-for-a-few-glass-of-water-videos-shipping

Concept for a few Glass of Water videos: Shipping Workshop. Taking a single character and analyzing how that character’s design factors into their relationships with other people and deconstructing how fandoms typically approach that character.

I dunno sounds like a good thought experiment.


Just seems like more of a reason to complain about people doing things you don't like to me

https://lily-orchard.tumblr.com/post/620028609644691456/for-that-shipping-workshop-do-you-mean-something

For that Shipping Workshop, do you mean something like explaining why people ship Katara with Zuko (which I used to be all for buy feel a bit more mixed on these days) or use Rey as a reader insert?


Not necessarily, more of examining the character as they are rather than how fandom often likes to imagine them and extrapolating how they approach relationships.

It is, at it’s core, an “Actual Character vs Fandom Interpreation” comparision.


wow she isn't raging at a simple question I wonder how long that'll last

https://lily-orchard.tumblr.com/post/620029119066980353/for-the-shipping-workshop-are-you-gonna-analyze

For the Shipping Workshop are you gonna analyze one character the whole video or are you gonna analyze multiple characters in different segments?
no-utopia-yet


Don’t nag, guys. This is all just an idea, I haven’t decided anything and grilling me about it is just going to make me not want to do it.


Oh no everyone we might lose a chance at Lily whining about fandoms some more such a shame such sad such a possible loss of such importance. /S

https://lily-orchard.tumblr.com/post/620036562911100928/we-are-your-fans-you-fucking-cunt-if-you-raise-an

We are your fans you fucking cunt, if you raise an idea and we want it, you do it. That's your job. You don't have to slave for a boss like the rest of us, you fucking sit in front of a mic and say shit. Stop fucking complaining.
Anonymous


Wow you’re really mad.


Says the woman who flipped out over fanart and a question.

Here is a couple of bonus links

https://no-utopia-yet.tumblr.com/post/620036918773694464/we-are-your-fans-you-fucking-cunt-if-you-raise-an

no-utopia-yet

Hey anonymous creep, don’t use me as an excuse to attack lily. I was insensitive and she has a right to be frustrated. She doesn’t have to do anything for anyone so do everyone a favor and throw yourself off a pier.


You know you lose the moral high ground when you tell someone to kill them selves and two no one deserves being yelled at for asking a question.

https://lily-orchard.tumblr.com/post/620036763608580096/im-curious-what-would-your-thoughts-on-sylvanas

I'm curious, what would your thoughts on Sylvanas be in this experimental idea?
Anonymous



One thing I find interesting about Sylvanas is that her most ardent fans often have zero understanding of her as a character. Oftentimes you’ll see people write her as either a broken bird in need of fixing, or as a stock fandom Ice Queen archetype. And both of those are pretty off the mark.

Sylvanas as a character has a lot of screws loose. Suffered torture, mind control, repeated betrayal and scapegoating all without any help whatsoever. That all creates a character with a lot of issues. The big one being Sylvanas craves control. She doesn’t like unknown elements, she doesn’t like things outside her control, she can’t handle randomness.

Which is why I find it personally hilarious that her most popular LI is Jaina fucking Proudmoore. Yeah they have shared experiences, but Jaina is so strong-willed and powerful that Sylvanas would rather her not be a factor. Sylvanas by default is pretty anathema to the idea of an LI, she would likely prefer someone she could exert total control over.

More logical options would be Sira Moonwarden, Dark Ranger Anya, Dark Ranger Lenara, Nathanos Blightcaller, and the Champion depending on how you interpret the character. These are all people she can exert control over in one way or another.

If you’ve noticed that Sylvanas would have relationships that are not healthy and skewed in her favor, that’s the idea. It’s not that Sylvanas is incapable of having normal relationships (regardless of their nature) with other people, but she is often resistant to the idea because trying in the past has only ever ended in her being played, most notably in War Crimes. She she prefers “relationships” where she holds all the cards and will often exploit the reverence and adoration of others for her own gain.

Since her undeath, there are only two canon characters who at any point treat Sylvanas like an actual fucking person at any point in time: Vereesa and Nathanos. And the former is only during a very recent comic. Sylvanas has learned the hard way that trusting people she can’t control isn’t worth it, it only ends badly for her.

This kind of thing is the reason Sylvanas is the only Windrunner Sister to NOT have a love interest. Even in life she didn’t have one, there were only ever rumors about it. Rumors that existed entirely because Sylvanas accepted a talented ranger into the Farstriders and the rest of Quel'Thalas was too bigoted to understand why. It’s only ever been other characters to assert there is something between Sylvanas and Nathanos, even though all the “proof” ends up being things that Sylvanas stands to benefit from regardless. The dialogue in “Most Loyal” is once again something Sylvanas can exploit for her own gain.

It doesn’t matter which character I mentioned above you’re using, you will be watching someone be manipulated, exploited and controlled by a person who has learned the hard way that there is no reason to do anything else.
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@Jas
Yup. 505 was the publisher behind games like Control, Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night, Indivisible, and the PC Port of Death Stranding.

Though compared to DS, it seems a lot of people thought it combined story-driven and platformer well, as the game has a lot of praise from critics and Steam users.
Background Pony #F62F
@Jas
From what I looked up, Horace is an indie game that came out in 2019 on Steam. It's described as a huge, story-driven platformer with nostalgic pop-cultural references. The game was published by 505 Games, so it should be easy to look up.
Jas

Saw this on Kiwi Farms.

https://lily-orchard.tumblr.com/post/619784297694511104/ive-noticed-that-you-gravitate-toward-simple

I've noticed that you gravitate toward simple stories that stay to the point and run shorter, and criticize stories with more moving parts. Is it fair to say you like simpler stories?
Anonymous


No. I don’t criticize stories with more moving parts, I criticize writers with eyes bigger than their belly. You know video games like Horace or Death Stranding where a big problem is the creator trying way too hard to fit every single idea they can into the story? That’s my criticism.

To keep it to that one Warcraft story I mentioned: Your enjoyment is going to be based on how much you’re willing to tolerate the constant diversions and sidetracking to the stories centered around, and let’s be honest here, all the author’s alts. In fact there’s so many moving pieces that all hassle for screentime at once and if you’re only there for one thing (which is likely the primary billing of Jaina and Sylvanas) then everything else is going to be a tedious irritation.

This may just be me, but I find this is where it’s good to break the story up into different pieces. I would either do this by making each chapter focus 100% on a different set of characters so it’s easier for the viewer to skip past the things they don’t give a shit about. Or, and here’s big brain time: Just make it a series and make multiple stories.

For me, organization and readability are important elements that I find a lot of people don’t talk about. You can fault TSR for many things. It’s not perfect, I accepted going in that it would be a rather shallow story because that was the story I wanted to tell. But one thing you can’t call it is disorganized. Focus breaks are clear, each scene has a set few characters, you can very easily skip parts you don’t care about with relative ease, ect.

If you just want to read the scenes with Rey and Alie, it’s easy to do so. Find a break line and if they’re in there then their name will usually be within the first line. Everything is crisp and clean and clear for easy readibility. I understand there are people who don’t care about me bullying the shit out of Kylo Ren but like the lesbians. If that’s you, I have you covered.

I wish more people would think about that. As a writer, the enjoyment of the reader is a very high priority for me. I don’t publish my “baby.” My passion projects stay for me alone.

That Horde Champion story? It’s VERY disorganized. It’s VERY distracted. That’s why you can’t read it.

Anyway that’s my pretentious naval gazing for the night.


only thing I can think to ask is what the devil is a Horace? I know about Death Stranding but never heard of Horace.
Jas

@TenaciousDreamer2nd

Eh the main reason she added Spike at Your Service as a best episode is because a majority of Bronies hate it and also because Lily only loves lore type stuff when it suits her aka Sylvanas from World of Warcraft.
TenaciousDreamer2nd

@Jas
Amending Fences and Spike at Your Service on the best?

Crusaders of the Lost Mark just bland instead of being the utter clusterfuck it was? Wha-?


I can agree completely with Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep being one of the worst, but… some of those choices are just… what?
Jas

@Bizarre Tibetan Sand Fox

yeah reminds me of one of her older post and by older post I mean she was still Jerry Peet and at the time she was doing answering one of her many anime related questions she got and in short she was talking about how her hate of anime was so strong she called out someone who drew her using an anime generator.

@Angrybrony

that is a good point.
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Noob who ships Twinkie
I can understand being a little annoyed if some one gets the details of your character wrong when doing fanart, but Lily overreacted big time. Of course given the utter contempt she holds for her fans in general this isn't surprising.
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