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justanotherponi
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@Pagan
 
I’ll admit, I do have a few issues with Sombra’s backstory in a way but in an odd “Two-minds” manner. I will concede it’s certainly not a bad backstory that he had, but…in a way it kind of ruined what made Sombra sort of interesting to me.
 
What I found interesting about Sombra is he was just a pony. Not a shape-shifting bug monster, not an Alicorn or a chaos spirit. Yes, he was a Unicorn, but originally he was a normal pony just like Twilight and the others were. A regular pony who turned to darkness for reasons only he really knows.
 
It was a reminder that Ponies all carried within them equal capacity for good and evil, that sometimes you didn’t need to have some cursed artifact or be brainwashed to become a monster: Some ponies, just like with us mere mortals, could do terrible things through their own free will.
 
Turning him into an “Evil shadow monster Pony” kind of ruined that. Like I said it wasn’t a bad backstory, but I always felt it was more interesting back in the days when he was a mortal turned evil y’know?
 
One could argue Sunset and Starlight are technically proof of this line of thought but…well, redemption and all.
Background Pony #FF70
@Background Pony #0425
That doesn’t necessarily mean that though.
How so?
 
Though Nightmare Rarity/Nightmare Forces clearly see themselves as a different being than Luna now, that doesn’t mean it was always the case.
There’s also the aforementioned Anugyptian imagery. And Luna’s recount in the Nightmare Rarity arc of when Nightmare Moon took up residence in her body. And the fact that Nightmare Moon, when in Luna’s body, referred to Luna as the one that Celestia loved the most when it confronted Celestia in the realm of dreams during FIENDship is Magic #4. During the same scene in the realm of dreams, Celestia also gives Nightmare Moon a “the reason why you suck” speech, and describes it as too selfish to release Luna from its dark magic during said speech.
 
The Tantibus (though far less sentient) was also a separate being from Luna, yet was entirely her creation (and dependent on her fears to exist).
Except, unlike Nightmare Moon, there’s no indication that the Tantibus existed before Luna was born.
 
It could still just be a similar creation, that is simply getting uppity with it’s creator.
Which once again brings up the question about the black mist, and the Anugyptian imagery. And Lauren Faust’s claim about Nightmare Moon as well.
Philweasel
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@Background Pony #0425  
That doesn’t necessarily mean that though. Though Nightmare Rarity/Nightmare Forces clearly see themselves as a different being than Luna now, that doesn’t mean it was always the case. The Tantibus (though far less sentient) was also a separate being from Luna, yet was entirely her creation (and dependent on her fears to exist).
 
It could still just be a similar creation, that is simply getting uppity with it’s creator.
Background Pony #FF70
@thps48: Here’s some of Nightmare Rarity’s own words to Luna.
 
NMR: Luna. Luna. Luna. You’ve had it all. How foolish you were to give up your power. And for what? These weaklings? Hah! If you had taken my offer and became Nightmare Moon once more, your precious ponies would be spared. You’ve done this to them, Luna. And they will NEVER forgive you!
Naturally, the words “if you had taken my offer” states that there was a deal Luna unwisely made with a dark force. However, the dark force in question is identified as the true Nightmare Moon, which at the point where that line is said, was inhabiting Rarity’s body.
 
The only reason why I didn’t bring this up is because such a thing should be hard to miss.
Background Pony #9872
Hrm. Time for derail in the comments tag? (Not that I’m complaining…)
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@Philweasel  
Also, her anger and depression. If they do that thing we’ve all theorized for seven years, it’d not be too hard to tie in her decision to join an unknown force of darkness with her downed emotional state at the time of Moon’s birth. It’s also not a bad idea to keep Moon her own creation, speaks to the mysterious and unpredictable nature of the breed. Any way’s good. :3
Background Pony #FF70
My best guess? Luna made unwise bargains with some dark force, because she knew she could not match her sister otherwise.
Which is pretty much what happened.
Philweasel
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I agree that there is certainly enough evidence to work with an ‘outside force’ theory if they want to go in that direction. Just so long as they still make it clear it was of still of Luna’s free will, as I feel making her some unwitting victim would cheapen her story.
 
My best guess? Luna made unwise bargains with some dark force, because she knew she could not match her sister otherwise.
Background Pony #FF70
@Pagan: I’m not overcomplicating things. I’m stating the obvious. Her horn is glowing, yes. But the mist is clearly not surfacing from it. It’s coming from behind her. Plus, pay attention to Luna’s reaction to its appearance. If she created it, then why is she so horrified to even see it? And why does she scream in utter agony when it engulfs her?
Pagan

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@Background Pony #0425  
Sounds like you are over complicating it her horn is glowing when the mist “arrives” she’s creating it with her magic.  
The contradiction in the claim that Luna created the black mist is so obvious, that I shouldn’t have to point it out.
 
Except there is no contradiction at least not an obvious one that can’t be easily explained through other means, so saying you “shouldn’t have to point it out” as if it’s obvious is just condescending because people don’t agree with your theory.
Background Pony #FF70
@Background Pony #0425
I always just thought the black mist was the essence of NMM that Luna created leaving her body and going off to do something else, the show had a lot of weird open ended endings that didn’t go anywhere.
If that were truly the case, then the mist would have been explicitly shown coming from Luna herself. But instead, it comes from off-screen, and surrounds Luna. Now would it come from off-screen if Luna was its source? The contradiction in the claim that Luna created the black mist is so obvious, that I shouldn’t have to point it out.
 
But yeah I personally think Luna created NMM with her own magic out of hatred and that magic manifested itself into an entity that can survive outside of her like the tantabus.
Which, again, wouldn’t add up with everything that we know about how Luna was before she got tricked into getting possessed. As far as we see of Luna in, say, Journal of the Two Sisters, Luna doesn’t hate Celestia at all, not even to the point where she would want to get rid of her. Plus, Lauren Faust did say that evil magic took control of Luna, begging the question of where the magic came from, and the question of why said evil magic would be cast on Luna. Both of which the comics more than answer. And there’s also the thing about Anubis, and why he reminded Sweetie Belle of Nightmare Moon, to consider.
 
And there’s also the thing about Nightmare Rarity talking about herself as if she and Nightmare Moon were one and the same being; the logical implications of which don’t even have to be mentioned.
Pagan

Gay Viking
@Background Pony #0425  
I always just thought the black mist was the essence of NMM that Luna created leaving her body and going off to do something else, the show had a lot of weird open ended endings that didn’t go anywhere.
 
But yeah I personally think Luna created NMM with her own magic out of hatred and that magic manifested itself into an entity that can survive outside of her like the tantabus.
Background Pony #FF70
@Dustcan: Nightmare Moon didn’t create the Nightmare Forces. Nightmare Moon IS the Nightmare Forces. Again, if Luna created Nightmare Moon, then where does the black mist that engulfs her come from? Don’t forget, we see that same black mist engulfing Rarity, and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that the black mist in question is Nightmare Moon’s true form. Not to mention, upon arriving on the moon, Nightmare Moon, whilst in Luna’s body, treats it like it was no big deal, implying that banishment to the moon happened to it before.
 
That, combined with the Anugypt imagery, and the black mist, tells me that Nightmare Moon existed before Luna was born, and Anubis was its vessel. But then Baast, taking Sweetie’s advice to heart, manages to defeat Anubis, probably not knowing that he was possessed, and exorcised him. Baast and her friends notice the mist and try to contain it by sending it where very few organisms can reach: The Moon. However, at some point, Nightmare Moon reached out to Luna, who was in turn tricked into breaking the seal (hence why the solar eclipse we see looks very sinister), and later possessed (explaining the black mist that engulfs Luna). How some people fail to piece this together is beyond me.
Philweasel
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@Dustcan  
Actually the fact that Nightmare Moon corrupted the Nyx to create the Nightmare Forces is explained (something a LOT of people seem to misunderstand), but it’s never confirmed that Nightmare Moon itself is a creation of Luna. It’s all still a little vague, though that is the most likely explanation. “A Royal Problem” seems to imply that at the very least.
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@Background Pony #0425
 
Luna created Nightmare Moon in the same manner as the Tantabus or Starlight’s Anger Magic: her powers ran amuck during a time of emotional distress and developed a mind of it’s own. One can say the mist surrounding Luna is basically Tantabus-Moon.
 
The comics then went with the interpretation that afterwords Nightmare Moon created the Nightmare Forces who possessed the Nyx. The show kind of alluded to something like this with the Pony of Shadows folk tale but didn’t really commit.
 
The Anugypt trip felt to me more like a “history repeats” kind of deal. As in the sense that “There’ll always be an evil monarch, and there’ll always be 6 color coded heroes that’ll stop him, etc.” Other than Sweetie Belle’s remark I don’t think there was anything to connect NMM to Anubis.
Background Pony #FF70
@thps48: Which is a claim that doesn’t make sense. Especially when taken along with the two pictures I provided. If Nightmare Moon is a creation of Luna, then where does the black mist seen in the 2nd picture come from? And, as Sweetie Belle indicates, why is there imagery in Ancient Anugypt that brings Nightmare Moon to mind?
Background Pony #FF70
@Dustcan: If Nightmare Moon created itself, them explain this.
 

 
Also, explain this.
 

 
Your statement also begs this question: How can a demonic entity create itself when that feat it pretty much impossible without time travel shenanigans?