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WOW, it is so convinient for your counterargument that you are eastern european scientist!
It is like I’m on 4chan again, where everytime somebody makes sound argument there’s always somebody who has proper occupation to use authoritet to win. (I have no idea how to respond to this)
“my uncle works at Nintendo and my father is a gaming journalis, so these Smash leaks are totally legit, I swear!”
He could easly provide an opportunity for her to work on real rockets, yet she denies him redemption out of spite.
Cartoon makers tried to do that in that mane episode I mentioned earlier, to prevent magic from fixing problem.
It ended BADLY, as one of the most fake constraints on magic in the series.
For example “love magic”, which is TOTALLY CANON.
There are even multiple sources of it with varying strengths and weaknesses! (like “love potion” being flaved method and “Cadence’s love magic” being downright OP!)
It is FAR more immoral to have Delta being emotionally broken and living in a dump for 10 years.
Or Apogee living in broken familly.
Or deny Jet redemption that is long overdue.
Actually I would LOVE to read fanfic about Apogee finding an old mirror that is a time portal and going into the past and trying to make her parents fall in love to make sure she exist.
It would be hilarious and heartwarming. :)
…because creating a setting just to have “perfectly” unsolvable drama, that cannot be resolved happly EVEN WITH MAGIC, is a terribly bad writing?
It’s like stories in WH40k setting, where no matter the odds, or how advanced “archeotec” is used, the protagonists can only fail because “MUH GRIMDARK”. I miss times, where WH40k was more “rock and roll” and less “hopeless and selfdestructive grimdark”.
Me too, so what?
So maybe there are two Eastern Europes or so. And still, you seem to forget about the consequences this act had.
Taking away someone’s chance to accomplish something makes you no less evil. Especially as first steps in that direction were already made.
I have enough problems to strive to live with my mind as open as it is, so I am not eager to open it even a bit more. Even Slaanesh would agree with that.
My opinion comes from my personal experience and work occupation. Believe me, I do not need to read “articles about eggheads”, I know how it works from inside.
Well, because even if we introduce magic, we put some constrains on it. What kind of magical reconciliation you would propose? Emotional alteration? That would also be immoral. Back-into-past? Maybe, but this seems to be an “overwhelmingly powerful spell”, especially considering how powerful are usual pony spells. And, first and foremost, think about why should such a detailed storyline be prepared, if it is to be re-winded and rewritten by a single spell?
More to the point, she could literally ask anything of him, and he’d do it with a smile on his face. He loved her that much, and still does.
If this is how relationship worked in real life then humanity would be doomed.
Seriously, If you are in relationship right now, what makes you think your lover is not lying?
And no, don’t say something like “My lover isn’t like Jet”, because you don’t need a BIG mistake like Jet’s to be lyier.
Forgiveness is a must in relationships, espesially when people are young and inexperienced and “hormonal”.
It would be normal to Delta to be cautious for a LONG time, bit if Jet never lied like that, then someday she would regain trust in him(it would take at least few years for that).
Well, certainly only the Author knows what will happen next. But still, I do not expect them to reconcile. It is not that he can do anything for love, it is that we would do anything to keep her with him. That is not loving someone, that is possessing someone - an act well known among humans. There was a science fiction movie, touching a slightly similar issue not so long ago - called Passengers. You might want to check it out, it also spawned similar discussion.
Duuuude, I am Eastern European.
If “get woman drunk for a chance to impregnate” was seen as “evil evil rape” then MANY children conceived here are “rape babies”.
Hell, It is probable that I myself was created with help of alcohol.
Please notice that this is CHANCE.
As in - she had a CHANCE to finish studies in her “dream school”, she had a chance to be rocket scientist…
“What if…” is a DANGEROUS game, because we CANNOT forsee consequences of our actions. Every time we say “what if…” we asume that we would ALWAYS succeed, that we would ALWAYS won. And that is not true.
If anything, with Jet’s wealth and connections she would have better chance NOW to build functional rockets than if she moved on and “started anew”.
It is called “negativity bias”.
In other words we put more importance on negativity that positivity.
In other words we never talk about people who started their relationship from difficult position and “made it”.
On the other half we talk constantly about failed relationships, ESPECIALLY when they were forced, like “you impregnated her when you were drunk, so now you marry her!”
Do yourself a favor and take a vacation.
It will open your horizons.
Do me a favor and NEVER read articles about eggheads, who were “world experts” and lost everything because of some mundane bullshit revealed they cheated (very primitevly!) into their position.
You will have a heartbreak.
Then why even bother breaking canon just to put real-life drama into setting that would never happen?
Why not make that fanfiction with humans?
Which is idtiotic! Why even make your setting with magic if you won’t use it where it would be applicable?
It’s like that episode where rarity almost lost her mane and the most powerfull magic users couldn’t help her.
Why? Because “unicorn magic doesn’t work on hair”,which is BULLSHITE, that is proven untrue in FIRST EPISODE, WHEN RARITY USED HER MAGIC TO FUSE HER TAIL HAIR WITH STEVEN MAGNET TO REPAIR HIS MOUSTACHE!
That’s how it is stupid when you dumb-down setting to make drama “realistic”.
You say that, I say she knows he’d do literally anything to get her to stay with him. And he was aiming ultimately for a happy ending for him, her, and little Apogee. Yeah, he done fucked up, but he was a desperate man in love, and love makes you do fucked up stupid things sometimes.
The problem is that even if they could reconcile they could never get back together, for Delta would always be wondering if Jet as lying to her, no matter how often be tried to reassure her otherwise.
I have to believe the author of this little tale has some idea of how they can reconcile. You’re absolutely correct, he tricked her, but there was a loving relationship for four years with a happy foal. And yes, based on a lie, yadayada, but there’s the rub, relationships are often based on lies. Lies like “No honey, I really don’t mind how outspoken you are. You do you.” Or “I don’t mind cleaning up after you, dear. You work hard.” Yeah, Jet manipulated the woman he loved into staying with him, giving up her dream. He’s a shit. But there is only one pony in that world that needs to forgive him. It would be hard for her. She’d have to willingly give up her dream instead of being tricked into it, but she could still have a happy life with a foal that loves her. She could even have a husband who loves her and owes her everything, and thus would be willing to do anything to make her happy. But she’d have to accept what had happened, give up the hurt, and make a new dream.
I am afraid that you don’t really see how treacherous the deed that Jet did was. It’s not simply forgive him, ‘cause he forgot to stamp her letter, or so. It is to forgive for making her abandon nearly everything she wanted to do, change nearly all her plans, and stop chasing her biggest dream because of a lie, a malevolent trick. Something that IMHO puts a huge stain on his relationship with Gee, too - it is not that he wanted to have a foal, it was his way to have Delta with him. There are many RL stories of women who did similar thing to make their partners marry them - and when such stories are discussed, rarely do people speak in favour of them! I wonder if there are actually many people that could forgive such a trick, even in that part of the world that is not ‘infected with american “culture”’ (sic).
And no, money can’t turn you into a rocket scientist. You can either become something close to a gentleman scientist, or got a specific position that will make you always be regarded as the one who got it because of connections. This isn’t well regarded by the community, and for a mare with rather high pride, which Delta seems to be, would not be acceptable.
Keep in mind that, despite the story is set in the MLP world, the problems discussed are RL ones, and if you’d only alter the characters a bit, it could easily fit in the XXIth century human world, so we can expect that no jack-in-the-box-magic solutions will be found.
They are the ones who started whole “divorce craze” with no-fault divorces and female favoritism in court (not to mention the whole cultural things like”separation is a good thing” and “divorce parties is a splendid idea”).
Before that divorces were far rarer afair.
Even my country has divorce numbers exploded because of these pesky americans.
@Background Pony #F0A2
They can’t? They can!
All they have to do is to abbadon revenge and spite.
And Delta has to forgive her man.
And Jet has to use his immense wealth and connections to turn Delta into ROCKET SCIENTIST (which is easy considering there is MAGIC in the setting (like love magic :) ))
And done! HAPPY ENDING!!!!!
…to bad that author is infected with american “culture” with its ideas like “forgivness is bad” or “REVENGE IS JUSTICE”.
As many know from experience.
(Kid’s perspective, boyo.)
I originally hoped they’d get back together…. but I see that it’s near impossible.
…….. Isn’t it, though? She had the choice to abort, and however that went with Jet, she clearly decided against it, and she also clearly didn’t decide on adoption, so she clearly decided to raise Apogee.
All those choices would’ve been made regardless of it being rape. Had it been rape, it would’ve been far more likely Delta would abort Apogee. So yes, clearly this is better than rape in every way.
It’s kind of childish to think that they can get back together
I bet it’s specifically South Americans. More specifically, Brazilians! Damn them and their waxing ways!
You got a problem with Americans?
For what purpose?
Everything that had to be sad about this picture had already been said.
My “10 cents” is that I hate cheap drama for sake of drama, so I wish it will be resolved before end of this year.
@liquidsodanium
Nah, the suckiest ending would be “they resolved their differencies and went spearated ways forever”.
That would be SOOO boring… and “american”.
Looks like it, I mean it wasn’t really avoidable.
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That would be the suckiest “ending” ever.
they all have wings.
OK aside from the talking horses what part of this isn’t realistic