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Dear lord, that’s enough. I don’t know what you were talking about, but this was my original comment (which wasn’t even directed to you):
@Background Pony #2DD2
@Background Pony #15AB
It seems you were the one who arbitrarily decided to change the subject, and then accused me of doing so when I didn’t take the bait. My argument was always the same, and I replied to every point you brought without making excuses or accusing you of any nonsense. It was all the same subject. Not a different one. The fact that you keep trying to dodge the topic by making up excuses is getting irritating, and its really starting to seem like you’re doing it because you don’t want to admit your mistake. Stop going in circles and own up.
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You don’t have to make anything “simpler”, i already explained why and how it is not releveant, how it is has nothing to do with we originally talked about! You just shifted the discussion to a place where the “fandom” is somehow relevant.
Whether they can feel physical attraction towards other races or not isn’t the topic. The whole issue works on the assumption that they can be attracted to each other. The topic is about whether something as innocent as this is “taboo” or not on a kid’s show. Especially when neither is depicted as more “human” or less than the other.
We were talking about the validity of the supposed “issues” with interspecies couples in kid’s cartoons.
(Yes, that’s simple).
Seems to me the “failing in communication” you speak off is only one-sided, and it only happened when you started trying to divert the topic into fanbase/writers/staff/etc which as I said, makes no difference. Its happened in cartoons before, and it will keep happening because its no big deal. Its never been. It only starts being so when an overly-analytical fanbase decides it wants to make it a big deal. Is that simple enough for you?
@Kibate
To be blunt, physical attraction to someone can be an important factor in any romantic relationship. It’s shallow, it sucks, but it’s a part of life. Physical attraction can be gained through just being good looking, or the person knowing the you well enough that they see you in a different light. So, while I support Sparity and such, barring age, I recognize that dragons have completely different physiology, meaning that their bodies could be so alien to ponies, its not attractive (or unattractive) to them, just there. This applies especially to Rarity, who has generally consistent tastes in stallions, which I believe are unicorns with high social status and/or good looks. From the beginning, Rarity has always been somewhat shallow in some regards. So while I agree that looks should not be a problem in an interspecies relationship, the truth is, it would undoubtedly be a key factor, especially with the differences in physiology. For example, if naked mole rats grew in size to be about the size of large dogs and were intelligent beings capable of speech, there would definitely be interspecies relationships, but there probably would be very few since naked mole rats look generally unappealing. Again, this all depends on the species involved.
All of what you just said had no nothing to do with what i was previously talking about, which is why i said, we have a failing of communication here. You can repeat yourself all you want, it has nothing to do with our discussion.
Again, interspecies =/= bestiality.
@Kibate
I think we are talking around each other, so let’s just say…we have a failing of communication here and end it like this.
@Dracorex
In topics like these i always imagine Aliens(the “grays” ones) in case of another sapient species, they are alien enough(pun intended) to look and act different but still we can imagine them to have intelligence and personality on the same level as us and easy enough for SOME humans to find them attractive but not all. However this topic doesn’t require thinking about this.
@Background Pony #2DD2
The main problem is that there isn’t another sapient species in real life, so some people are unwilling to make the logical steps necessary to justify it, and in most examples in fiction are, like 2DD2 said, similar or identical to humans in appearance.
The fact that this fanbase dreams about lesbian pairings being made canon, yet actually argues that talking dragon/talking unicorn is too “adult” for this show, its nothing short of ridiculous.
@Kibate
If we actually take our bias away, its very clear that something like this has NEVER been an issue on cartoons before MLP FIM came around, and that’s because active shipping often brings out the bad in people. The difference between those series and MLP isn’t the audience they’re primarily aimed to, but the fact that MLP is a phenomenon that is taken more seriously by the adult audience.
In shipping, those who don’t ship 2 characters, will always look for any reason to discredit their relationship. But when these pairings/couples are very much a thing, yet no one ships them, then no one bats an eye or has any problem with them. A show’s staff has never been the issue with different magical creatures liking each other. Your argument that this is something they consider taboo is based on nothing. On this topic, its only the fanbase that’s the problem. And that’s because its not really a problem, but an excuse.
@Kibate
They’re very different things.
AragornXArwen is interspecies. Supes/Lois Lane is interspecies. GokuXChichi is interspecies. ShepardXHalf of his/her love interests is interspecies. You get the point. Are these taboo in kid’s shows?
The problem is when one being is clearly not intelligent/sapient (ie, a mindless animal or beast) and the other one is an intelligent being capable of advanced process of thought.
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When both are intelligent, sapient beings, then the only issue prople could have is physical appeareance, which is just a shallow concern with no moral backup whatsoever. Nothing but a shallow excuse.
@Kibate
Canon possibility in this case is defined by what the audience still considers “safe” for kid’s shows. Fantastical, intelligent, nonhuman creatures of different species falling in love falls under this category. Its only when people who have no business with the whole aspect butt in and actively try to create issues by forcing it to tackle sex/birthing/racism, that people start seeing things where there’s not.
@Kibate
no we weren’t. It started with a talk about what is canon and what isn’t, in which at some point i mentioned “but this ship is more likely (being canon) than the other due to being the same species” which you then said we are closeminded for thinking that. You are the one who causes a misunderstanding here.
Don’t know Backyardigans, but
Shrek: I give you that one, however those movies don’t hide that they do this ship to make fun of it. It’s like pairing of two guys and then just make them the focus of gay jokes. I doubt you would think this is appropriate for MLP, do you? Oh, and btw., Shrek is for an older audience than MLP
Adventure time: Haven’t seen that thing aside for one episode, but i think i remember there was something about that dog and that …unicorn was it? Well, honestly, adventure time is just weird, that it’s premise. And from what i heard, it seems to be pandering to an adult audience anyway.
Roger Rabbit: Hah, that one wasn’t for kids! I think you should rewatch that movie, you would realize it’s 100% an adult movie
I don’t see how two humans is more taboo than interspecies
but anyway, as i mentioned above, i was referring all this time towards canon possibility. I couldn’t care less what the fanbase ships. Actually i do care, but i don’t speak my opinion, because i don’t want others to judge my shipping as well.
Kids today, no appreciation for the classics.
… I’m afraid I don’t get the reference.
… I’m afraid I don’t get the reference.
This.
“Y’all called?”
You have a very good point. The thing is, it’s really hard for a lot of people to shake over a century’s worth of social indoctrination about what’s acceptable. Then, off course, there’s the people who don’t care about trying to change things, and those who don’t even know there’s something wrong with their worldview.
An example I’d cite is the people who pestered Mark Oshiro to watch MLP for his site, and went so far in their attempts to do so (including showing NSFW art involving the Mane 6 to a gay man) that he swore never to watch the show. I read that he later said he might see it in his free time, but he’d never review it.
Well, the problem is, the fandom was never that open minded in the first place. If it was, gay (as in male) porn would be more popular, and judging from older stories I’ve read, we’ve actually progressed on that front. But a good example would be Braeburned’s art. My previous comment was really meant as a joke, critiquing the fact that some of us would rather have lesbian ships than almost anything else.
Maybe when we get an episode leak. cough cough.
@Background Pony #0748
@Background Pony #15AB
@Background Pony #15AB
@Background Pony #15AB
Seriously though, you’re kidding right? There’s countless canon cross/species relationships in kids’ shows. And you know why? Because it doesn’t matter. Because its a kid’s show. Since they’re never going to show them having sex or going into full detail about what the birthing process for their offspring was, then it doesn’t matter at all.
Also, this is again, a bad argument of what I was talking about because by yourlogic, since lesbian couples would be even more of taboo in kid’s shows, then the fanbase should be even more reluctant to accept them…and we all know what’s the situation there.
It was posted a day after the episode aired. Doesn’t exactly seem like a
that was fast-type timeframe.“that was fast” is only for images made within a few hours of the episode premier, so no
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“and talk same species should fluttercord end alson because they differet species as well?”
I personally would say: Yes, absolutely!
However as he was confirmed to have a pony head(though a quite misshapen one) one could argue that his base is a “pony”.
@Background Pony #2DD2
In a perfect world it might not be that way, but let me in you on a secret: We do not live in a perfect world.
There are way too many problems to count, the most important one: It’s a kids show. They would never make a species-mix-ship canon