Concerned Users of Derpibooru

@Derpy Whooves  
I really don’t envy you. You seriously do have a tough job of not being able to make final decisions on policy while also being the only one online to answer our questions. The people throwing accusations at you certainly aren’t helping DB get any better or helping them to clarify their rules.

@Derpy Whooves  

Much as I hate to ask, is there a list of the artists who have chosen to depart? I’d like know the talent we’ve lost because a few people can’t handle not being able to support a literal hate group.

@Background Pony #7146  
Gingersnap913, for example. Yes, people have pointed the irony of leaving to Twitter, a site with much more nazis and way less ability to deal with them, in the comments there multiple times.
 
@Background Pony #A221  
False equivalence. Making fun of something is not supporting something. Also, they are still leaving the site even after the censorship policy was enacted.

@Barhandar  
Twitter nazis? In 2020?

@Candel  
Exactly. Comments and PMs are one thing, but image filters certainly exist.

@Candel  
@tiarawhy  
Okay on filters as I said way back eariler:  
@doloresbridge  

 
But I just still have some sympathy for an apolitical ideal as a compromise as I feel that would be better to forced or compelled support and purging. Though perhaps this is naive in this environment. I don’t want to die on a hill of enabling censorship in a bad way just trying to be open to all parties.
 
@Background Pony #23FA  
Though that certainly can happen I’d argue that a “nazi problem” is a bit overstated as there really isn’t that many on the site. My is that the standards being applied could easily move to things that are at the heart of this fandom’s identity. Like banning 4chan images because they contain slurs in spite of the history.

@spookitty  
So there is literally only 3 people who you would accept answers from, and they’re all at work or sleeping today.
 
If you had a question for a store or a convention, would you refuse any answer that didn’t come from the owner?

@Derpy Whooves
 

 
fail to see how I’m venting anger. I’m worried for sure, but not exacly venting. All i really want to know is if and when stuff will be deleted since it will become a total mess pretty soon afterwards. I’d be upset that oc:aryanne will be deleted since a lot of her images are just cute ponies doing cute stuff, for example is not promoting anything about racism but is just cute.
 
See, the thing is that when the banning starts, I know for sure we’ll get these so called “woke” guys come in here and act all smug against the people who oppose this, but even worse, since they won they’ll start demanding more takedowns. I’m not even going to go for the easy ones like foalcon, but stuff like oc:anon since you know, he’s also from /mlp/ so he’s a nazi too.
 
Granted, the people saying this on /mlp/ might just be trolls and shitposters, that’s the problem with anonymous posting, but at the same time some of those are trying to completely remove anything 4chan related.

@Barhandar  
That’s one. Not several. And it’s interesting that all the fascist propaganda that’s running them off seems to only be a problem now that there was yet another article whining about stuff.

@Barhandar  

First of all, you’re assuming all the images in question were in fact “making fun”. I am absolutely certain that is not the case.
 
Secondly, the artists are leaving over the inability of some people to react to a rule adjustment like sane, rational adults, which is something policies can do little about.

@R-G  

 
I think the trivialization of the countless crimes of nazism and trivialization of the countless crimes of communism are both wrong. But I also think that jokes about them can be very appropriate, and I think we should be able to discuss them in the appropriate forums.
 
But I don’t think they should be trivialized. And I don’t see one being worse or better than the other. I think they’re both mistakes that we shouldn’t make. Asking which is worse opens a whole series of rabbit holes that I don’t need to go down to say that they’re both horrible.
 
I also don’t think anyone should trivialize rape, or murder, or other disgusting crimes.
 
But I don’t think that means that people shouldn’t be allowed to make art about them. Nor do I think that people should not be allowed to fetishize them. Or to make jokes about them. We have murder mysteries and dramas that involve themes like rape and war, and those are fine.
 
And those are the kinds of questions that I think are good to ask, and to talk about.
 
Just because a joke is racist doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be broadcast, any more than any joke or comedian has a right to an audience. And while I think some racist jokes need to be heard and should be heard by larger audiences, I think some racist comedians shouldn’t assume they are owed an audience.
 
Anyway, if there are themes like that on the site that you don’t like, please filter them. Unfortunately, that only filters images, but if you run into an example of someone tangenting to those themes in comments on unrelated images just report them.
 
Does that help answer your question?

@Background Pony #A221  

 
There is an anti-harrassment rule/policy.  
Literally rule 0, the first thing you see upon opening the site rules, and it’s even highlighted.  
https://derpibooru.org/pages/rules

@Background Pony #A221  
We have no data on the number of artists leaving the site, nor the reasons why. Someone citing fascism could just as easily be saying they see the new rules as fascist. It could be less than 10, or it could be dozens or more.

@windburst  
I think the mods have made it pretty clear that all the stuff that’s already here is grandfathered in, regardless of what any new “woke” users come in and demand.
 
@Derpy Whooves  
Let me just say that I’m sorry you’re getting a lot of crap, when it looks like you’re genuinely trying to help. It can’t be easy - I imagine running this site is sort of akin to trying to run an insane asylum.
 
To play devil’s advocate, I think a lot of the big worry here is what truly would fall under the new rules isn’t all that clear. I know that Archonix loaded a new Aryanne image that seemed like a genuine attempt at trying to fit the character or similar images to the new rules, but apparently some of the staff disagreed and it got deleted. The waters seem a little muddy and I guess people are worried about where they’ll be stepping with new uploads.

@windburst  
That is my concern too. Not only 4chan but a lot of our fandom is somewhat edgier and a lot of what is being articulated is heading in that direction. What we need to do is ensure that group stays small. I still believe there are a lot who could be persuadable. A lot of sites when they try to remove the “cancer” they cut off a limb but for us such standards would stab us in the heart of our fandom as it is all intertwined.

@Background Pony #A221  

 
Yes, there is a list, but it is confidential. Unless I have permission from each individual artist to talk about their takedown, it’s their business and we keep mum about it. And, for example, some of them don’t even want it known they were ever here.
 
Anyway, those artists want it publicly known (like the one Barhandar mentioned) have not been shy about advertising their takedowns. You may have seen some of the “This is my last post here” images in the last couple of months.
 
@windburst  
Sorry - I didn’t mean to direct that at you but I see I did by including it in a reply to you. I don’t think you’ve been venting. Sorry. Also, I think it’s cute, too.
 

 
Actually, those folks are already here, in ever increasing numbers. Some of them are re-airing their demands in this thread, especially with regard to foalcon and images showing murder, etc. The list of things someone somewhere demands that we delete is almost a 1-to-1 match of the content we actually host.

@Derpy Whooves  
Maybe give the creator the right to delete their stuff? That way it’s their choose instead of having derpibooru make a rule to ban content. Because banning doesn’t solve the problem.

@Derpy Whooves  
You’re muddying the waters slightly by not prefacing that post with something like “This is my personal opinion, not the sites, i’m still going to remove things that promote, glorify, or trivializes nazism unless the rules change.”

@Derpy Whooves  
And yet you bend over for some and ban content that they don’t like. Your bullshit is obvious as fuck and you refuse to answer why exactly Aryanne is where you draw the line while allowing far viler content.  
I’m starting to think Spookitty is right and you’re just here to give us the run around.

@Zerowinger  

 
I’ve said it before, but I genuinely believe this is where most of the fear is coming from. When the answers given are vague, dismissive, sometimes even contradictory, the only option is to assume the worst outcome.

@Background Pony #7146  
Dude, I don’t think you’re helping.

@Barhandar  
The thing was that, it wasn’t a problem till people started pointing it out instead of using the filtering system. This problem has gotten worse because people thought it was a good idea to go to the media about this. Also they were mainly trolls from 4chan. People made the situation worse than it was and now they think they did a good job and now are padding them selves on the back. This feels like Pepe all over again.

@Derpy Whooves  
I do filter what I don’t like: rape, grimdark, pony supremacy, zebra supremacy, among a few others
 
You didn’t really answer my question, and I know you don’t speak on behalf of all the site staff, but, if both nazism and communism did unspeakably horrible things, and there’s freedom to post other unspeakably horrible things on the site completely freely…then why only ban the nazi stuff? That’s basically my question

@Background Pony #BA40  

I know there is. But what I said was that policies can do little about “the inability of some people to react to a rule adjustment like sane, rational adults”. I.e., yes, you can ban them for their behavior, but there’s little you can do to prevent some people from exhibiting that kind of behavior in the first place.
 
 
@Derpy Whooves  

I honestly thought that might be the case, but it’s hard not to be curious, at least. Definitely makes me a bit sad that some would prefer no one ever knew they were associated with the site, but I can kind of understand why right now. Not to press further on the issue, but is there a number, at least, for how many are leaving? Not that any number is good, of course, but I’d at least like to believe it isn’t a huge amount.
 
Barring all that, maybe I’ll try being an optimist for once and hope that at some point, when things improve and the fervor dies down a bit, some of them will return.

@Derpy Whooves  
So are is only being taken down by the artist request right? I don’t mind that. If the artist doesn’t want the art up then that’s ok, but making a bad is a bad idea I think.