Concerned Users of Derpibooru

@Background Pony #BA40  
I think passive dissent could be the best bet for the long run. I’m not sure if uploading a bunch of images of Arryanne would break a rule and cause to lock a thread, not to mention I think avoiding a political character would be smartest. But uploading a bunch of images of things that could get further censored could be smart with tape over their mouths or something. Additionally, if we made our own OC, and merely posting said OC could be an act of resistance and if the mods banned her even if we just posted here doing cute things and nothing related to meta that could be something that showed the users that we are indeed going into dangerous territory. I think it’s best if we can the maximum amount of people to get behind this as possible. So if there is a purge attempt it’ll be painful.
 
 
@Background Pony #ED09  
This mod isn’t here as a mod and had some sympathy to our cause. I understand distrust but let’s not burn the bridge.

@PoemeMystique  
I see. Oh well, we might be in for a very “interesting” few decades, but these kinds of regimes eventually fall, with more or less consequences.
 
@Derpy Whooves  
How deliciously ironic. The head-staff unilaterally decided on censorship of “the nazism” yet artists are still leaving because of “being sick of all the fascism on this site” despite the rule change.  
Or maybe because of it. There are definitely those.
 
@doloresbridge  
Again, he has a user account with his name on it. If he was speaking as a user he would be using that.

@doloresbridge  
He’s just the guy they sent to tire us out. It’s typical in politics.  
Because now we have to worry about politics when we poni poni, I guess. Do we get pony chaz next? I don’t want to be mugged when posting art.

@R-G  
That’s not the topic here, and people has brought this up to derail several times before.  
If you brought it up in good faith, please drop it.

I, personally, don’t get mad when I can’t “ironically” support Hitler on an MLP site, because I don’t think about supporting Hitler often enough to joke about it.

More censorship to “equalize” the current censorship is not the right way to go, I think. Yes, there does appear to be a double standard, but I don’t think there should be any censorship to begin with, not that it should be applied to even more groups.

@Derpy Whooves  

 
No offence derpy, but this right here is the constant problem. As soon as we try to discuss this some more, it’s always the same tactic. Pretend that we’re done about it, pretend that the people don’t want mods responding and then just leave or lock the topic. In the end this won’t solve anything and another topic will pop up over and over till mods just start to ban people for not agreeing to this
 
I mean I respect you since you’re the only moderator actually taking time to try to debate this, even if we’re on opposite sides, but all this doesn’t help solve our worries for images being banned when you literally try to end the debate by adding that you’re going to have to remove content because of evil nazi’s.

@Derpy Whooves  
You get called out for not answering someone and your response is to say that no one wants you to answer their questions and then pull some guilt trip nonsense like a teenage girl?

@Derpy Whooves  
You can’t dismiss me outright by trying to say I’m here intentionally insulting you. I know nothing about you past what I’ve gleaned from your constant replies to everyone since these concerns were raised. I’ve insulted you no more than you have insulted every user on this site by playing your backhanded political games.
 
You answer nothing more than what the admins allow you to. Your personal opinions on matters you have no control over doesn’t help quell the user’s concerns. At best you and the other mods have only done more to muddle the issues and bury the legitimate concerns of your user base. Will the staff do the same with their new furry booru, Furbooru? Or will you guys just be upfront with your biases and drop the facade altogether?
 
At best, you try to get people to take their concerns to private where you or any other staff member can either ignore it or sweep it under the rug. You try and get people to make threads to discuss site policy only to instantly lock said threads with zero discussion. Why would you expect anyone to have any faith or trust in you or anyone else on the staff at this point?
 
If anything, I would have assumed the worse thing you’ve had to do on this site would be whatever you call this song and dance.

@Candel  
I am pretty sure the point is more “kill the site now (by being actually consistent with the wording) or forever stay your hand (by undoing the rule-changes and restoring all images and posts deleted to them that have artistic merit)”.

@Derpy Whooves  
Oh no dont you try guilt tripping now this is you guys fault for this. You have no one to blame but yourselves.

@Background Pony #ED09  
I’m genuinely trying to figure this out, get some answers since it seems very hypocritical yet from what I’ve rad there’s little I have been able to figure out, other than “Thing x bad, thing y good, even if both actually bad”

@Barhandar  
I’d rather them not kill the site, and I don’t think advocating for them to do so is the best course of action.

@Barhandar  

 
Does he use his personal user account for anything more than image sorting? If so, then yeah I can see your point but if he uses his mod account for personal communication then I don’t see a problem there with that. Though if he does then I can see your point.
 
 
@Background Pony #ED09  

 
I’m not sure. If he were that he would sit here and continue to debate us, call us hostile, then lock the thread. I get the distrust but I do think that he has some sympathy. Not saying we should grovel at his feet or not keep some skepticism, that’s good, but I do think that burning bridges is bad. Even if he is playing games we still come off better because it is harder to justify banning us.
 
@Candel  
This is also a good point. Say we go the apolitical route and ban politics. Would that mean we ban pride flags? If no, then how could we then justify banning BLM? And then you have it where we are right now. I still think it is good to look at apolitical proposals but this is a good point.

@doloresbridge  
As much as I dislike politics being put into the sites I enjoy, the site already has ways for me to hide that content if I dislike it. Banning things makes no sense when you can just filter the “politics” tag, or maybe they could even set politics to be hidden in the default filters. No need to ban all politics when the site is already designed in a way that allows you to filter it.

I already made my points in the other thread but honestly, the block lists is all you need. Or heck, make it so the default doesn’t show the stuff you consider unsightly, so that users who want to see everything are able to do so by opting into that list or adding/removing tags themselves.
 
This whole system worked perfectly up till now. Giving into pressure due to that article and censoring is pretty much the same thing that china does in regards to taiwan, or hell isis to past artifacts. Things they don’t want to be allowed to be even thought about.

@doloresbridge  
No, he has to engage enough to make us spend effort talking to him and appear correct from the outside. That’s why he stonewalls so hard and tries to guilttrip us.

@doloresbridge  
So the rule change I feel like isn’t good idea, because if you block them out they will spread to other parts of the internet. Like mlp spread when mlp got banned on 4chan. It caused it to spread. By containing it and putting filters on the site so people don’t have to see it is the best idea to contain the Nazi or racism problems. I’m against any type of censorship and yes even in the once I don’t believe them. Be blocking and banning you cause them to double down. Even if they are Edgy trolls. I hope you can reverse your changes to the rules before it becomes a problem bigger than it really is. Like Pepe.

@Barhandar  
No, I wouldn’t. Because if I did that people would point out the hypocrisy of using a user account to “spy on them” here. As you very well know because you’ve seen it every time it happened.
 
I just thought being here as myself, answering questions as best I could, was the most honest and respectful way to handle it.
 
Also I just realized don’t even have the passwords for that account on this machine. So even if I wanted to do that I would have to had done real work to achieve it.
 
Also also I was the only person logged into the site tools most of last night, so I was also moderating at the same time so using one account makes it a lot easier than bouncing back and forth.
 
Also also also let’s just take it as read that many will see this as just more proof of lies and deception.
 
@Background Pony #ED09  
I was literally the only moderator logged into the site when I was answering those questions. I wasn’t “the guy they sent” I was the only person here at all.
 
I was doing it because everyone else went to bed, to work, or just needed a break.

 
Yeah. Universal reason to delete everything you don’t like.

@windburst  

 
You misunderstand. I am not going to end the debate. I am leaving the debate. Because of artists who have specifically requested to have all their content deleted because they are tired of all the harassment from fascists on this site. 13 more artists in the last 24 hours have asked to have their art deleted because of all the harassment they are getting that they identify as “fascist trolls”. I’ve seen what they’ve seen, and I don’t disagree with their assessment. I’m not making that up - other people were complaining about OC:Aryanne images being deleted last night, and some of these artists doing takedowns have made OC:Aryanne images.
 
And, forgive me, but you don’t know which ‘side’ I am on. I came here because I really was hopeful this thread would lead to changes, but now it just seems to be another opportunity for venting anger.

@Background Pony #BA40  
I said that not because I don’t want to hear what he says, but because Derpy has absolutely no agency in the site decisions. Him clarifying something doesn’t matter much at all when the admins can turn around and change their minds the next second. At best he can only continue to try and sugar coat their decisions to smooth things over.
 
At worse he can say one thing only to have The Smiling Pony come in after him and say the exact opposite followed by a user pointing out with evidence that both of their statements are clearly false before they decide to lock the thread. ignore it, or derail into some other discussion.

@Derpy Whooves  
Maybe all that venting anger should be a sign that it isn’t the users that need to change.  
And I hope you don’t mind my asking, but what artists want to be removed because of fascists?

@Derpy Whooves  
Would you mind answering the questions I posted a bit earlier?
 
Maybe it’s not explicitly what the thread was made for, but I am a concerned user, and I really do want answers. This does feel like selectively making up/enforcing rules, and I wonder what that (this whole debacle being a precedent that others could use) will bring up years from now