Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

What’s really astounding is that they think this will be their last hope of them winning the election. While I do not like what the NYSDEC did, there is absolutely no reason to blame it entirely on the Democrats. They had nothing to do of what went down.

You know, the GOP aligned polls may have actually saved the Dems if you think about it.

By trying to prop up Trump, they activated the Dems secret power.

Unbridled anxiety.

Dems have a habit of resting on their laurels when they’re “winning”, leading to them faceplanting in the final sprint.

By scaring the national dems, they dumped unprecedented amounts of cash into advertising, focused hard on their often neglected digital marketing, crisscrossed the swing states that they used to take for granted, and actually went on the offensive for once.

If the polls really fell victim to herding, then the republican pollsters might have played themselves hard.

@Zincy
But more importantly they were willing to have at least some specific popular policy rather than vague ideals. The democrats are a very reactive party as they aren’t willing to confront the megacorps while nevertheless officially having that as their identity. So they are only as antagonistic towards them as absolutely necessary. The republicans have no such hesitation attacking schools, government agencies, gay people and whoever else they don’t like.
If the democrats were actually willing to go all in on left wing policies being specific in things like getting rid of the tax cut on social security and putting corporate taxes back to 1950’s levels they would get a lot further.

AFAIK, unbaptized babies went to Purgatory. But a few years back the Pope used his magic anime powers to declare Purgatory gone, so now their only options are Paradise or Perdition.

I’m pretty sure original sin still applies, so correct me if I’m wrong but I think the Pope just sentenced all unbaptized people to Hell, no take backs.

@Dustcan
Just for giggles I searched for Anime Pope.

I was not disappointed.

@Dustcan
We’re not Catholic, so that wouldn’t apply to us.

…Buddy. Have you been living under a rock, for the past 10 years?

Hell, have you even taken a good, long look at the overall state of this thread over the past 4 years, alone?

Apart from @Zincy, @GokuBlack, @lonewolf, and possibly @TheSmilingPony, no one, and I mean absolutely no one who’s consistently used this thread over all of the last 60+ months can unironically say with a straight face that they actually think independently, and have the plain-to-see personal track record to back it up.

And I know this, because if anything, no thread on any website in existence, today, can ever hold that kind of reputation, regarding the overall sum of its consistent users, and simultaneously have the exact same environment and atmosphere of A GODDAMN SUBREDDIT for over 4+ years straight. It’s a completely impossible predicament.

This thread is literally an extension of r/antiwork, r/latestagecapitalism and r/twoxchromosomes, at this point, so you might as well be better of finding somebody who actually genuinely thinks in independently and gets all their sources from 100% verified, trustworthy, professional news sources that actually cite their own sources from legitimate primary sources or scholarly sources (so that everything they say is 100% backed up and utilize factually reliable sources in their citations) on Twitter, than even bother trying to find such people on here, sans the four aforementioned exceptions.

Because honestly, if the politics thread on this website was not an already well-established carbon copy of the average politics-related subreddit, then maybe your idea that “leftist ideals praise independent thinking” would actually hold some significant amount of water. Not just on here, but everywhere online and in real life that there is leftist or “leftist” discourse.

And the real kicker? Absolutely nobody can say with a straight face that the vast majority of self-proclaimed leftists actually think independently, these days.

We don’t have any real amount of George Carlins, Noam Chomskys, or even Roger Waters’, anymore, because that shit began to really die out with the boomer generation in the 70s and 80s, and has never recovered among most of the subsequent generations (some of Gen X can be made an exception, here), since.

I don’t understand why people automatically assume the military draft will happen again if Kamala gets elected? They’re trying to get a ceasefire (& failing, so understandable but still).
🤦

@Background Pony #A3C0
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@Background Pony #A3C0
Ummm….okay. No idea what to do with any of this. Just sounds like a rant of someone talking about how the internet has ruined society, that’s the most I can get from that long rant.

@Background Pony #A3C0
WTF are you even saying random BP?

@Background Pony #A3C0
So this is an omnidirectional adhominen attack on the left, where you whitelist the few people here who might pay attention long enough to fire shots back.

Maybe a little breakdown, waiting for the second coming of George Carlin, because our impending doom isn’t entertaining enough?

Schizophrenics think differently too.

“Hell, have you even taken a good, long look at the overall state of this thread over the past 4 years, alone?”
This thread is ‘under the rock’

For fuck sake, its the vacuum cleaner bag.

Isn’t BGP the same one that pops up every month or so to somehow stretch “Stop liking what I don’t like” across a multi-paragraph rant? Doesn’t engage, just pops in to do a drive-by reee and then runs off?

I remember somebody doing that.

@Hima
There aren’t as many famous thinkers on the left as most are more focused on immediate concerns. Things for the left have changed with the rise of social media. But that’s true for all of society so it’s just something to accept.

See, I get the whole idea that this is an echo chamber and that it does veer on the side of right-wingers getting rapidly dunked on by multiple users on the regular. This leads to most contrarian users resorting to straight up trolling or plain aggression to try and get their point across, because they already feel like they might as well go all-in or not at all. This is about as close as we can get to the “Change my mind” meme, where the matter is already set in stone and discussion is simply about theatrics.

Least we can still be content over the fact that our echo chamber don’t end up with massive swathes of deleted messages skirting the limit of what gets you on an FBI list and what moderators legally have to nip in the bud.

@Poison Trail
I do try to take everyone’s opinion seriously also those on the right.

Bruh:

Billionaires only just now understanding that the Average Joe doesn’t see eye to eye with them is pretty meme worthy.

The US extreme rhetoric and polarization is both scary and fascinating. One of the two sides will lose and will have to coexist with the other one after all this.

@CaptainXtra
Read my lips: Nobody except those exceptions who claim to be or are leftists are independent thinkers, in spite of what @marinus18 implied, and and they don’t have the track record to validate that assertion.

Learn to read.

@CaptainXtra
Except they still don’t understand the why of that and, in their eyes, it’s the Average Joe’s fault.

@Background Pony #A3C0
Good thing I’m not a leftist then.

@Poison Trail
The real problem is that there’s even an echo chamber, to begin with, after all.

I know @TheSmilingPony and @Ciaran would automatically have a conniption at the idea of this thread going back to how it was, prior to 2020, so I honestly have zero expectations that such a concept of dismantling the echo chamber will ever actually come to fruition, anyway.

But hey, what do I know about actual good faith-driven solutions? Because apparently, those in power are the best at conjuring up and applying such solutions.

/s

@Background Human
Good for you, then, indeed.

@Background Pony #A3C0
Oooookay. So what do you want to say that you feel you’re not allowed to say? I just don’t know what you want or what exactly you see as the problem.
From my point of view it seems more so the opposite. That everyone roughly on the left has a different opinion and because of that it’s nearly impossible for them to unite and actually make stuff happen.