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Offensive. Please ban.
I prefer:  
Twilight: Japan  
Rarity: Switzerland  
Fluttershy: Canada (agreed)  
Pinkie: Italy  
Applejack: America  
Rainbow Dash: Scotland (Don’t question my shit.)
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@yrfoxtaur  
“I’m so excited! Are you excited?! I’ve never been to another country, and it’s going to be so much fun, and I’m going to make so many Dutch treats and I’m going to give a super duper Dutch party and….”
TheDeinonychus
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

And yes, I should know better than to get into a debate with an SJW. But when I see someone asserting something as fact without considering there may be more to the issue than simply what they are allowing them to see, it really gets my ire up.
 
I should apologize to Slitherpon for the mess in the comments. It was not my intention to spark an argument. I just take great objection to people who think it’s their place to tell others what to think and how to live their lives.
 
As I said in my original comment;  
@TheDeinonychus  
Inb4 someone ranting about AJ holding the rebel flag.
TheDeinonychus
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@TexasUberAlles  
I had NEVER said that slavery was never an issue that contributed to the Civil War. I said that ignoring the many other issues that contributed to the war was being ignorant, whether willfully or otherwise. The revisionist history that you seem so willing to label thing as was the assumption that slavery was the ONLY cause of the Civil War. Wars NEVER have a single, solitary cause behind them. They may have a trigger moment, where things come to a head, but is is never so simple as a single cause. But it’s clearly easier to teach school children that there’s only one reason behind every war, than it is to try and get them to understand complex social and political issues that build into civil and federal unrest, which then leads to war.
 
You want to talk about someone being willfully ignorant? Try reading up on the condition of the southern states just before the start of the Civil War. Try reading about how relationships between the southern and northern states were already starting to break down while the north still supported slavery. How about reading up on the Draft Riots in the north, and the racial hatred northern citizens had towards blacks. Or about the habit northern soldiers had of shooting black confederate soldiers on sight at prison camps? Or about the state the south was left in after the war, with the northern armies destroying the southern infrastructure, tearing up railways and burning farmland.
 
Or is considering that maybe you just might not know all that you think you know too much for a social justice warrior?
TexasUberAlles
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@TheDeinonychus  
The flag in question had never been used as a symbol for racism
 
So… you don’t actually know what the Confederate States of America was, then? There are quite a few History books written on the subject, you should check one out sometime.
 
Why do people keep doing this? Why do people persist in believing that they can handwave away the causative factors of one of the most heavily documented conflicts of the modern era by simply pretending they didn’t happen or weren’t important, and nobody will call them on it? The American Civil War was about slavery. This is not a thing which is subject to rational debate. Argue the revisionist point until you pass out from hypoxia if you like, it is never going to change the unassailable fact that the architects of secession and civil war, writing before, during, and after the fact, were extremely clear and specific about their motivations. It is not a matter of one or two people having said something ambiguous which was misrepresented out of context, it is countless millions of individual documents and accounts, a grand multitude of which have been collected and categorized and examined by historians for over a century and a half, all of which lead to the inescapable conclusion that you are just plain wrong. When you make the insane and asinine claim that the Confederacy was somehow not built on racism and racial slavery, you are literally arguing against the actual Confederacy. Seven of the eleven Confederate states specifically and unambiguously declare the continued enslavement of Africans to be the primary– or solitary– reason for their secession. These were not offhand comments made by a few knuckledraggers in back alleyways, they were legally binding articles of secession drafted, voted on, and passed by the elected representatives of a majority of the seceding states. The Texas Declaration Of Causes didn’t just make the point, it spent paragraph after paragraph belaboring it– maintaining slavery was the reason for secession. The Confederate Vice President went on and on and on in declaring that not only was slavery was the foundation and cornerstone of the Confederacy, the very concept of equality between the races was “fundamentally wrong”.
 
This isn’t just about you being profoundly ignorant of your own history; you most certainly are, but to reach a conclusion as bereft of understanding as believing that the Civil War wasn’t fundamentally based on racism and racial slavery requires a willful and deliberate refusal to acknowledge the most basic documented facts of the era.
TheDeinonychus
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@TexasUberAlles  
Would you say that about the African Americans who like to embrace African cultures, since it was actually those cultures that sold their own people (along with the people of other cultures) as slaves to the Americans? Nearly every human culture has had a history of slavery somewhere in time. The African continent was (and in some places still is) the biggest practitioner of slavery through most of history. Yet it is most often America, particularly the south, which gets called out over is practice of owning slaves, despite many countries having kept far more slaves in far worse conditions for far longer portions of their histories.
 
The flag you refer to as the ‘Naval Jack’ is actually the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. While it is similar to the ‘Naval Jack’, the blue of it’s cross is a much darker navy blue (ironically) rather than the much lighter blue used in the ‘Naval Jack’. This design was later incorporated into the second and subsequent flags of the Confederate States. The original Confederate flag having been so similar to the flag of the Union, that it actually caused confusion on the battle field over which battle lines belonged to which side.
 
To say that the flag has always stood for racism would show ignorance of the many other social and political issues that lead up to the start of the Civil War. Among them were the issues over unfair taxation of southern states compared to states in the north, the issues of a state’s right to govern itself without undue interference from the federal government, as well as excessive government fees and import taxes placed on southern shipping ports which did not affect ports in the north, resulting in many merchant and trade ships sailing the extra distance to northern ports in order to avoid paying the higher import taxes in the south. This last issue causing the southern economy to depend more heavily on slave labor in order to remain stable.
 
The flag in question had never been used as a symbol for racism till it’s adoption by members of the KKK. Before that time, the flag had seen repeated use as a symbol of ‘southern pride’. Even after the end of the Civil War, there had been no legislation to ban or outlaw the use of any of the flags used by the Confederate States. Shortly after the war, the Confederate Battle Flag was adopted by many southern veteran groups, including several woman’s groups. When the KKK adopted the flag in the late 1940’s and early 50’s, it came at a time when the KKK was trying to associate themselves with elements of popular culture in an effort to make themselves seem more attractive and gain public support. Other ‘popular’ things the KKK have tried to associate themselves with include Disney, the NFL, neighborhood watch programs, environmentalist groups, and the Boy Scouts of America. It’s not dissimilar to the adoption of the swastika by the Nazi party in Germany. Long before that time, the swastika had been used by many eastern religions and culture in various forms to represent good fortune, peace, strength, protection, or the sun. Since World War 2, it is mainly in western cultures that the swastika has been thought to represent racism and antisemitism. In the cultures where the symbol originated, it is still used to this day for it’s original meaning, and it’s often taken as a sign of ignorance when outsider attempts to assert that it stands for anything but it’s original meaning.
 
In short, next time at least try to make sure you actually know about something before you attempt to state something as fact.
Background Pony #1A21
Wrongly implying AJ is not ALL of America; wrongly implying AJ’s level headiness and calmness would allow her to hold a dead flag; wrongly implying it’s not obvious which type of pony fan made this.