I know this is a bad recording, but I wanted to record this right away. This is a promo for Littlest Pet Shop Season 2 and My Little Pony Season 4 on Hub Network, aired during the 1st Annual Halloween Bash.
@G.S.
That’s funny, becuase I have yet to see an anti-Twilicorn argument that isn’t entirely predicated on baseless fan theories and wild assumptions that have nothing to do with anything that’s ever actually happened on the show.
people hate alicorn twilight because the entire concept in and of itself is cheesy.
sorry, but it is.
i have yet to see any pro-twilicorn arguments that aren’t making heavy use of the fallacy “begging the question.” (look it up) most of twilight’s “landmarking” development, like it or not, happened off-screen, so the audience likely does not see how she’s “earned” ultimate power.
@Yukito_097
Which, btw, I’m really hoping they stick to in S4. I know it’s unlikely, but my only hope as far as Twilicorn is concerned is they don’t make her the star, and stick to focussing on all six mane characters (and ocasionally the CMC) equally.
She was A mane character, not THE mane character. There were plenty of episodes where she wasn’t the centre of attention. Heck, there was at least one where she didn’t even show up!
Sixty years from now, if I’m still alive, I’m going to meet another brony in my retirement home. We’ll talk about how we used to watch the show, we’ll talk about when it ended, we’ll talk about the characters and our favorite episodes. And sixty years from now, that brony will still be fucking complaining about Alicorn Twilight.
@James Rye
In all honesty, as long as they don’t treat Spike like shit, and the season at least tries harder than last season, I really don’t care anymore.
Well, honestly, I think people view the “developement” of the “alicorn princesshood” in the wrong way. :/
It’s not a “developement” for Twilight Sparkle, at least NOT YET. She only was an alicorn for less than five minutes, that’s hardly enough time to etablish any developement. All it did was “settle” Twi’s new role and this new role is the “real” developement, the “developement” of the PLOT. Not of a character, but of the MLP storyline.
The developement of Twi will happen in S4, and that will be as Twilight Sparkle who has to deal with being no longer a student, no longer a mere Unicorn, no longernot only a nation hero but also a princess. When before she just read her books and saved the world here and there with her friends, now millions of ponies are looking up to her. That’s a lot stress for somepony like Twi who doesn’t like too much attention on her person.
How in S3 this wa smeant merely as plot developement, basically the final of all the tests and hints we have gotten in the seasons so far like Twi’s element being a crown, Celly giving Twi tests left and right, making sure she gets friends just the day NMM returns, gives some aid with the letters to break Discord curse, she and Luna watches the Starswirl spell book and later sent it to Twi and so on.
People seem to think that Twi’s change of body and status is the same as a change of her personality and character. That’s she no longer a bookworm, a friend, a hero, but “just” a princess.
However such developement has yet to happen.
Twi and the others had REAL character developement long ago before the alicorn acsenion and Twi’s princesshood hardly was the prime of her chara development. All it did was set her for NEW developements. Developements she needed.
She can’t be a student forever. She can’t just do what she wants to everyday aka reading, playing with friends and have fun. She can’t act as if nothing will never change. One day, RD will be a Wonderbolt. One day, Pinkie will get her own shop. AJ will expand her farm, Rarity her boutique, Shy as well will change and become braver and stronger. Twi has to face her responsibilities, responsibiities Celly had groomed her for since the very special test she extra made for a little purple filly who didn’t had a cutiemark back then.
So yeah, I wish I could say it better, but all in all Twi becoming an alicorn princess was merely a development of the plot and not of her character as many mistook it.
@Yukito_097
Hate to break it to ya, but, there can’t be a balance because there never was one in the first place. Twilight was always the de facto leader, the most powerful, oh and the fact she’s the FUCKING MAIN CHARACTER, even before she was an alicorn. God, you really need to go back and watch all three seasons from beginning to end and pay attention.
RD was in Wonderbolt academy and went from Wingpony to Leaderpony.
Rarity was in Canterlot and had her chance with the noble snobs there but she disregarded most of them in the end to stay at the side of her shunned friends. And she got with Fancy pants a rich partner who loves her work. She will work up her way in the mode society.
Pinkie Pie became the twins babysitter and learned to be responsible.
Fluttershy became Flutterbitch again and learned how to be assertive+herself without hurting others.
AJ learned alot about her stubborn side, the trusting one and “that she didn’t learned anything”. XD
They all developped alot in those 65 episodes, nobody would call the Mane6 as we have seen them in the first two episodes/first season to be the very same in S3. Sure, they’re MOSTLY the same characters as we know and love them, but bits and parts of them had changed quite for a bit. Twilight just is the most prominent change for three reasons:
~~It’s a visual change (just imagine the rage if let’s say Rarity’s hair becomes green or Fluttershy gets a short mane and tail ‘cause she took out the extensions, it would be “Twilicorn” all over again XD)
-It’s for many an unexpected change, either ‘cause they really didn’t expected Twilight to ever become an alicorn or a princess or ‘cause they expected that to happen in the very last episode of MLP like in season 102 or something. XD
~~ it’s the most recent one and most importantly, the most discussed and most heated change of one of the Mane6. Thus even months after the finale, it is still fresh in our minds as almost daily, somehwere on the internet dozens of bronies writes hundreds of comments why this was a bad/good idea and why they liked/disliked it.
Thus it feels for some watchers that Twi had gotten the most of the focus/developement/etc., though if we look at the screentime and episode counts then we see that the otehr five are pretty close to Twi in both screentime and episode counts. Granted there are difference, but only minor ones, even Rarity not “having a Rarity” episode in S3, didn’t hurt her overall screentime too much and she’s not that far behind the others in terms of episode amount either.
True dat, somebody on deviantart explained very well and detailed why MLP S3 only had 13 episodes and what it got to do with the cartoon industrie workings and shedules. Too bad I can’t find it anymore as I buried it under tons of ponyart faves. :C
@Background Pony
All I’m saying is that maybe, just maybe, they could focus on developing other characters and not just her. This is Friendship is Magic, not Twilight is OP.
But what should I expect from a show with lackluster pacing.
@ziharkinuzuka: “a character who only wrote a spell in a book”
Oy vey…
Princess Celestia had a whole song just before Twilight’s transformation about how she was proud of all Twilight had learned and accomplished. What, did she also need to list all of Twilight Sparkle’s deeds and studies and explicitly say that’s why she earned her alicornification and princessification?
As for saving the coronation for the end of the series, I can understand the argument behind that. However, it seems quite likely that, at the time the crew was working on season 3, they thought it would be the final season.
@FSin
That makes since. I just wish they didn’t progress her character so damn fast. This princess thing should have been reserved for the final season not the season 3 finale. And also, I personally don’t think that a character who only wrote a spell in a book would get farther than a character that worked her entire life to be a wonderbolt and still isn’t one.
I have no problem with progressing character, if the writing is good enough to warrant that progression. Imagine if Luffy found the One Piece and gained ultimate power before even his friends were close to getting to their goals.
And I mean by how it was from the beginning because remember, Twilight was in every episode of season 1, and with some rare exceptions, it was her who learned the lesson by the end of the episode.
The rest of the mane six are protagonists are well, but Twilight has always been the main focus of the show. Most of the major stories have revolved around her finding the situation to save her friends (Return of Harmony) or being the only one who sees something wrong (Canterlot Wedding). The stories have always revolved first and foremost about building her as the primary character to evolve throughout. That doesn’t discount the others who get ample enough time to develop and gain more importance, but it will always be about Twilight’s build first and foremost. That was how it was from the beginning, and how it will be with the role of princess.
@Amber
I’m delusional for acknowledging that there are more protagonist than Twilight. You know, the other fucking elements?
@Background Pony
Well, you have the first season when the elements were there, then you have season 3 premiere where Spike saved the day. Yes, Twilight is a main protagonist, but she isn’t the sole protagonist. I don’t have a problem with her being considered a protagonist, but being considered the only one is more delusional than saying she’s not.
That’s funny, becuase I have yet to see an anti-Twilicorn argument that isn’t entirely predicated on baseless fan theories and wild assumptions that have nothing to do with anything that’s ever actually happened on the show.
people hate alicorn twilight because the entire concept in and of itself is cheesy.
sorry, but it is.
i have yet to see any pro-twilicorn arguments that aren’t making heavy use of the fallacy “begging the question.” (look it up) most of twilight’s “landmarking” development, like it or not, happened off-screen, so the audience likely does not see how she’s “earned” ultimate power.
well, to be fair, everyone IS looking at her instead of at the camera
Which, btw, I’m really hoping they stick to in S4. I know it’s unlikely, but my only hope as far as Twilicorn is concerned is they don’t make her the star, and stick to focussing on all six mane characters (and ocasionally the CMC) equally.
She was A mane character, not THE mane character. There were plenty of episodes where she wasn’t the centre of attention. Heck, there was at least one where she didn’t even show up!
manly teardrop that was perfect.
I could see that happening.
Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
Yaaaaaaaaaaay!
In all honesty, as long as they don’t treat Spike like shit, and the season at least tries harder than last season, I really don’t care anymore.
Well, honestly, I think people view the “developement” of the “alicorn princesshood” in the wrong way. :/
It’s not a “developement” for Twilight Sparkle, at least NOT YET. She only was an alicorn for less than five minutes, that’s hardly enough time to etablish any developement. All it did was “settle” Twi’s new role and this new role is the “real” developement, the “developement” of the PLOT. Not of a character, but of the MLP storyline.
The developement of Twi will happen in S4, and that will be as Twilight Sparkle who has to deal with being no longer a student, no longer a mere Unicorn, no longernot only a nation hero but also a princess. When before she just read her books and saved the world here and there with her friends, now millions of ponies are looking up to her. That’s a lot stress for somepony like Twi who doesn’t like too much attention on her person.
How in S3 this wa smeant merely as plot developement, basically the final of all the tests and hints we have gotten in the seasons so far like Twi’s element being a crown, Celly giving Twi tests left and right, making sure she gets friends just the day NMM returns, gives some aid with the letters to break Discord curse, she and Luna watches the Starswirl spell book and later sent it to Twi and so on.
People seem to think that Twi’s change of body and status is the same as a change of her personality and character. That’s she no longer a bookworm, a friend, a hero, but “just” a princess.
However such developement has yet to happen.
Twi and the others had REAL character developement long ago before the alicorn acsenion and Twi’s princesshood hardly was the prime of her chara development. All it did was set her for NEW developements. Developements she needed.
She can’t be a student forever. She can’t just do what she wants to everyday aka reading, playing with friends and have fun. She can’t act as if nothing will never change. One day, RD will be a Wonderbolt. One day, Pinkie will get her own shop. AJ will expand her farm, Rarity her boutique, Shy as well will change and become braver and stronger. Twi has to face her responsibilities, responsibiities Celly had groomed her for since the very special test she extra made for a little purple filly who didn’t had a cutiemark back then.
So yeah, I wish I could say it better, but all in all Twi becoming an alicorn princess was merely a development of the plot and not of her character as many mistook it.
Yeah, because that’s strong development compared to “princesshood”.
I see where you’re coming from, but that’s kinda pushing it.
Then again, I haven’t been enjoying FIM as much for a while…
Hate to break it to ya, but, there can’t be a balance because there never was one in the first place. Twilight was always the de facto leader, the most powerful, oh and the fact she’s the FUCKING MAIN CHARACTER, even before she was an alicorn. God, you really need to go back and watch all three seasons from beginning to end and pay attention.
Duh.
RD was in Wonderbolt academy and went from Wingpony to Leaderpony.
Rarity was in Canterlot and had her chance with the noble snobs there but she disregarded most of them in the end to stay at the side of her shunned friends. And she got with Fancy pants a rich partner who loves her work. She will work up her way in the mode society.
Pinkie Pie became the twins babysitter and learned to be responsible.
Fluttershy became Flutterbitch again and learned how to be assertive+herself without hurting others.
AJ learned alot about her stubborn side, the trusting one and “that she didn’t learned anything”. XD
They all developped alot in those 65 episodes, nobody would call the Mane6 as we have seen them in the first two episodes/first season to be the very same in S3. Sure, they’re MOSTLY the same characters as we know and love them, but bits and parts of them had changed quite for a bit. Twilight just is the most prominent change for three reasons:
~~It’s a visual change (just imagine the rage if let’s say Rarity’s hair becomes green or Fluttershy gets a short mane and tail ‘cause she took out the extensions, it would be “Twilicorn” all over again XD)
-It’s for many an unexpected change, either ‘cause they really didn’t expected Twilight to ever become an alicorn or a princess or ‘cause they expected that to happen in the very last episode of MLP like in season 102 or something. XD
~~ it’s the most recent one and most importantly, the most discussed and most heated change of one of the Mane6. Thus even months after the finale, it is still fresh in our minds as almost daily, somehwere on the internet dozens of bronies writes hundreds of comments why this was a bad/good idea and why they liked/disliked it.
Thus it feels for some watchers that Twi had gotten the most of the focus/developement/etc., though if we look at the screentime and episode counts then we see that the otehr five are pretty close to Twi in both screentime and episode counts. Granted there are difference, but only minor ones, even Rarity not “having a Rarity” episode in S3, didn’t hurt her overall screentime too much and she’s not that far behind the others in terms of episode amount either.
@Background Pony
True dat, somebody on deviantart explained very well and detailed why MLP S3 only had 13 episodes and what it got to do with the cartoon industrie workings and shedules. Too bad I can’t find it anymore as I buried it under tons of ponyart faves. :C
All I’m saying is that maybe, just maybe, they could focus on developing other characters and not just her. This is Friendship is Magic, not Twilight is OP.
But what should I expect from a show with lackluster pacing.
Oy vey…
Princess Celestia had a whole song just before Twilight’s transformation about how she was proud of all Twilight had learned and accomplished. What, did she also need to list all of Twilight Sparkle’s deeds and studies and explicitly say that’s why she earned her alicornification and princessification?
As for saving the coronation for the end of the series, I can understand the argument behind that. However, it seems quite likely that, at the time the crew was working on season 3, they thought it would be the final season.
That makes since. I just wish they didn’t progress her character so damn fast. This princess thing should have been reserved for the final season not the season 3 finale. And also, I personally don’t think that a character who only wrote a spell in a book would get farther than a character that worked her entire life to be a wonderbolt and still isn’t one.
I have no problem with progressing character, if the writing is good enough to warrant that progression. Imagine if Luffy found the One Piece and gained ultimate power before even his friends were close to getting to their goals.
I’m delusional for acknowledging that there are more protagonist than Twilight. You know, the other fucking elements?
@Background Pony
Well, you have the first season when the elements were there, then you have season 3 premiere where Spike saved the day. Yes, Twilight is a main protagonist, but she isn’t the sole protagonist. I don’t have a problem with her being considered a protagonist, but being considered the only one is more delusional than saying she’s not.
I’m sorry,but you’re coming across as a bit too delusional.
In how many of the two-part adventure episodes before now has someone other than Twilight been the primary protagonist?