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So fitting…
The world is quiet here…
The world is quiet here…
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We all do cringing things when we are younger but Funny thing is I was on your old DA page the other day, and I can tell you I did not see much cringe there:XD:
But yeah I mean hey you do you.
She blew nothing as she was never given a second chance. Not once.
A second chance, maybe a more humane punishment more fitting towards a child and perhaps some compassion from the heroes towards her. Not immediately sending her to Tartarus in the first place.
Ah yes, the same characters that advocated for reforming villains in the past and the embodiments of friendship not bothering to try and help a mentally disturbed, completely defenseless child, instead punishing her in some of the most cruel ways they could when they had every opportunity to do the opposite. If you think that’s in character for them based on the previous seasons then I don’t know what show you were watching.
I was thinking of replying on everything you said because you are wrong almost everytime but then you said “ She was a psychopath” Thats a big red flag.
Remember people avoid debating with people that know what ASPD is from Hollywood.
Cozy is not a psychopath. She doesn’t have a fraction of ASPD.
Also try to be more objective and less relying on your personal feelings for a character. This hate boning is out of control.
She was given a second chance and she blew it. What were you expecting? Also, how the hell did this finale and “School Daze” ruin the characters? They were perfectly in-character.
@Background Pony #513C
Tragic my ass! She was a psychopath who got what she deserved! How the hell is punishing a child for their wrongdoings “not good writing?”
They did. Did you not hear how she was delighted at the idea of committing genocide against her own kind? Or how in “School Daze” she vowed to repeat her actions at the first sign of opportunity?
From the episode itself:
Considering the fact that she stabbed them in the back, led them on a wild goose chase, and tried to destroy Equestria not once but twice, why the FUCK should any of them give a shit about her?!
@Background Pony #CD66
Uh, she was a student at a school dedicated to friendship for at least a full year. She took everything she was taught about friendship and twisted it to suit her own ends. She was beyond redemption by that point.
@Background Pony #CD66
Bullshit they didn’t! Again, she was at a school specifically to teach others about friendship. She took that and used it against them. When she vowed to repeat her actions at the slightest chance, they had no choice but to punish her.
Why bother when she was beyond saving?
Yes. Yes, it does.
Why bother knowing that she wouldn’t care ahead of time?
@Background Pony #CAA1
😀
grow up
It’s not WORTHY of letting go of.
She was a eminent little demon
RIP with your partners ，may be including a lover here
COZIREK FOREVER
Like Discord?
After both of her defeats and any time while she was in Tartarus.
She was called a filly by everyone, she said she was a kid and she looks and acts like one while there is no evidence to her not being one.
What he did to the trio and Sombra proves otherwise.
Trying to cause chaos and disrupt society is completely different from trying to destroy the world as you put it. That’s pretty much what Discord did, Starlight wanted to do and Tempest willingly almost helped cause.
My argument is ultimately boiled down to; simply because it isn’t shown on screen, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Just because on-screen they never considered the possibility, doesn’t mean after the fact it wasn’t reverted and it happened. One line does not make a truth, Discord saying “forever” doesn’t mean “forever”. Mistakes happen, Twilight not talking to Cozy or anything doesn’t mean she never will, or never has. Etc etc.
You’re refuting every argument I make (and side-stepping or misinterpreting some) and frankly I don’t give a crap enough to go into a full-blown debate over it.
To be redeemed you have to actually have a desire for redemption. You cannot be forcibly redeemed. So the fact that she doesn’t want to be redeemed, means she cannot be redeemed, until convinced otherwise. Also, there was not really any chance to offer her redemption, outside of spouting things while they were imprisoned. As for Twilight’s response, of course she’s going to dismiss it. Cozy is outwardly shown to be a foal. What do adults do to children? Dismiss and try to convince otherwise.
Cozy being a midget is still possible. Just because everyone else treats her as an actual foal doesn’t mean she is one. Emotional and psychological maturity also doesn’t mean anything to support for or against that idea. Some adults in real life act the same way Cozy does, some adults in MLP itself act like Cozy does. Also, I’m not even sure what you mean, I’ve seen nothing that cements the fact she’s a foal after all. Easily annoyed, sure, but nothing else really.
I’ll admit, I forgot it was C L and D that turned them, not the Elements. But the argument still stands, they wouldn’t be that cruel. Celestia and Luna especially. Despite what you say as well, Discord isn’t that cruel, especially with how much he’s grown.
Discord’s comment means absolutely nothing to the length of the imprisonment. It could’ve simply mean a taunt, or a comment on the side. Using it as proof it’s permanent isn’t valid.
Who’s to say Cozy didn’t have a plan for herself after all the magic was gone? Nothing to suggest she did or did not. Who’s to say Tirek didn’t have a plan? Who’s to say Tirek even knew the full ramifications? Or Cozy? Who’s to say Cozy ISN’T mentally unstable? I’d certainly believe it.
@Background Pony #CAA1
It’s likely she didn’t intend to destroy the world, but simply underestimated the full ramifications of magic vanishing from a world that relies on it. Same way people underestimate the full ramifications of taking away fossil fuel in a world that relies on it (not the best example, but you get the idea).
And on the same vein, ironically the best way to rise in leadership in a place is to destroy it. If you destroy the world (not completely mind you), chaos ensues, and you can step in to restore order, therefore becoming the leader.
Edited because: double negative
Great points
The comment below me countered the rest of your points, but I would like to add that Cozy did not want to destroy the world as that would make no sense given her goal of wanting rulership. It would be counterproductive for her to actually try to destroy it, therefore its safe to say that was not her goal.
(I feel the need to add that I personally don’t believe Cozy is conscious in her petrified state, I am only pointing out the weakness in W_K’s arguments for that position.)
yeah. what discord did was absolutely not treason considering he KNEW that the mane 6 would prevail. it was just his star trek self (Q) leaking into equestria again. i mean if season 9 was anything to go on, i rest my case. Discord IS Q. they are both tricksters to put loki to shame, and they both love to test the protagonists in really weird ways, plus both are voiced by john de-lancie
Nobody said Cozy was irredeemable, nobody said Chrysalis or even Tirek were irredeemable. It’s even suggested heavily they ALL can be redeemed, but because of their goals they don’t WANT to be redeemed.
Yes, it sucks a foal was turned to stone, but here’s the thing. What if she’s not actually a foal? I’ve seen quite a few interpretations in fanfics that Cozy is actually a dwarf pony. i.e. an adult mare, that is simply small, foal-sized. I personally go with that interpretation because it’s more believable than Cozy simply deciding to go ape.
There’s also something to consider that it’s unknown if Cozy is aware. We have a few examples of ponies (and not) being turned to stone. Only one has been aware in some capacity; Discord. You could argue that the other examples are from a Cockatrice and not the Elements, but why would it be different? That would imply cruelty inherent in the Elements, which doesn’t seem right, no?
There’s also one other example of the Elements imprisoning beings; Luna a la Nightmare Moon. It’s not confirmed whether or not she was aware during her foray on the moon, but given what Nightmare Moon said, and how Luna reacts, she is only PARTIALLY aware. As in, she was aware that she was imprisoned, and how much time had passed, that’s it. She wasn’t aware that she’d been forgotten, she wasn’t aware that things had changed so much. Etc etc.
There’s also one final thing to consider. Cozy Glow’s imprisonment isn’t permanent, and given how things are going and evidence from the past I’d say her imprisonment won’t last much longer. The epilogue doesn’t give enough details to confirm or deny this; the Student 6 are theorised to be the next wielders of the Elements, and it is heavily suggested as so in the show. The last time beings were imprisoned via the Elements (Nightmare Moon, Discord), they were only released when new Bearers for the Elements were chosen (in NMM’s case, it was prophesised, but not Discord’s).
It’s likely that Cozy Glow, Tirek and Chrysalis will be released in varying terms at varying times (or all at once) to be redeemed. Also, even if they don’t get released upon the Student 6 becoming bearers (or in the off-chance the S6 never do become bearers), I highly doubt that Celestia, Luna, Twilight or the others would keep a perceived foal imprisoned. They would highly likely try to redeem her. Try to redeem all of them. There’s nothing in the epilogue to suggest they didn’t. (Their only mention is in stained glass, like the M6 (and Spike)’s every other accomplishment)
On another note, you’re playing it off as if Cozy is some angel that’s done nothing wrong. She isn’t. She literally tried to destroy the world. Not even Starlight did that intentionally. Hell, not even DISCORD did that (he simply wanted to reign over it in chaos). As noted above, I’ve seen interpretations that she’s not actually a filly. Her competence, planning, sheer megalonania marks her as more than just the “innocent foal” she acts as.
Also, you act as though Cozy was Twilight’s student. Not even close. Cozy was some “foal” that came into the school pretending to be a student, then wormed her way up (via manipulation) to become Twilight’s right-hoof (she wasn’t even meant to be, she put herself in that position). She wasn’t at the school for long, and frankly I doubt she listened to the lessons (if she even attended, she may not have even been a student, just a foal hanging around like the CMC). Twilight didn’t teach Cozy anything. Cozy chose her path herself.
And finally, the last note. Discord & Treason. A: I wouldn’t call it treason. Treason implies the intent was to destroy, kill, overthrow, and betray. That wasn’t the intent. B: Whose to say he didn’t get punished? I for one think he did, we just don’t see it. It is, after all, entirely possible to be rewarded for something you did in public, only to be scolded/punished in private. For publicity.
And yet you commented lmao…