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gee, idk. considering judaism christianity and islam from the source…you’d think. maybe take it up in the religion thread.
besides, before christianity came along, ya think jewish women lived life much more freely? idk mang. women around the planet were treated different one way or the other, muslim or not. look around various premodern cultures and you’d be surprised that men treat women weird, christianity and islam not required.
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Uh holy shit.
Selzer’s final Iowa poll has Harris LEADING Trump by 3.
A 12 point shift left from 2020.
Obviously Trump will win Iowa comfortably, but this could have gigantic consequences in the next three days and suggests Trump isn’t being underestimated this time.
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Apples and Pears
I mean, Trump is gonna win Iowa comfortably (it’s pretty much dropped off the swing state category), but it suggests Harris is indeed gaining ground, especially among women.
Also, Trump isn’t performing as well with men per the poll. 14 points versus 27 points in September.
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Seltzer polls apparently averages a record of being 3 points off from the final result.
So based off that poll, best case scenario Harris wins Iowa by 6 points - well outside the margin of error - worst case scenario Trump wins the state by less than half a point.
I don’t think Harris is taking Iowa but yeah, it’s still pretty good news that it’s in play.
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I’m not so sure about that. Usually by late October most people have already decided which candidate they’ll vote for. After all the Trump Access Hollywood tapes did nothing to deter people from voting Trump back in 2016.
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Apples and Pears
The impact that had was largely negated by the Comey letter weeks later. Almost everyone agrees that tipped the election to Trump more than anything else.
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The Iowa poll is interesting not only regarding the state itself, but it might suggest that the GOP may have fallen into the same trap that the Dems fell into in 2016. Ignoring their safe but formerly swingy states.
It could very well be an outlier…but when we add in the recently polling with women, and Harris’s teams internal polling that shows late deciders breaking for her…things get spicy.
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And on cue, Nate Silvers is losing his shit over the poll.
Speaking of, if the rest of the states follow suit in what this Selzer poll indicates then Harris could be looking at a blowout election.
I honestly doubt the result will be anywhere near this. Even if she wins, 0 chance she wins more than I don’t know, 320 electoral votes. It’s more likely it probably will come down to the winner getting 280-290.
But yeah some good news only a few days out.
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Apples and Pears
Only realistic outcome I can see here is Harris keeping all the battleground states Biden won and flipping North Carolina in a sweep. Texas, Iowa, Ohio and Florida are still likely Trump.

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Apples and Pears
Which is still awful considering he won it by 9 in 2016 and 8 in 2020. No way he’s winning Michigan and Wisconsin with that number.
Also the GOP has been citing an earlier poll by Emerson showing Trump somewhat matching his 2016 number, leading Harris by 9. Too bad a) Emerson’s credibility has been in question lately, and b) the poll is sponsored by RealClearDefense, an affiliate of RealClearPoltics, a GOP-biased firm.
Yeah, they’re in full-blown panic mode right now. Looking very likely the polls may be underestimating Harris this time.
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