Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)
𝕭𝖆𝖉𝖍𝖊𝖆𝖗𝖙 
PPBTFWASYMFA
What is it with incumbents and giving shitty first debates? Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, all were awful in their first reelection debates.To be fair to Biden, he apparently has a cold right now.
The Democrat is sick, there’s one for the history books.
And in June! Should they blame the LGBTQIA+ for this? You bet your ass that someone will.
Background Pony #B76C
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Poison Trail 
Ultimately, the debate was pure entertainment to the 99% of watchers which vote is already secured or doesn’t matter in the first place.
The ones that do matter, the undecided ~200k in key swing states saw one candidate confirm all the allegations of frailty and weakness pushed against him and another confirm that he’s an unhinged lunatic unworthy of working even at a McDonalds. It’s unlikely much if any of them had their opinion changed tonight.
Background Pony #7A74
Ouch, this was rough. That’s the verdict here in Europe. Biden did not deliver here and Trump continues his NATO brinkmanship. I hope Biden has a really good campaign coming.
Background Pony #D717
@Background Pony #7A74
He’d better, or at least pass the baton to someone else, because that poor presentation is probably gonna fuel the conservative propaganda machine all the way to November. And if Trump gets in… well, hope you like the side effects it’s probably going to bring about.
He’d better, or at least pass the baton to someone else, because that poor presentation is probably gonna fuel the conservative propaganda machine all the way to November. And if Trump gets in… well, hope you like the side effects it’s probably going to bring about.
Background Pony #7A74
@Background Pony #D717
I do not, Trump will cause immense damage abroad and in the US. Last thing the world needs right now. Sadly no amount of trials or charges seem to have any effect on him running so it will probably end up being decided at the election. And that is a massive risk, especially with old man Biden bumbling about.
I do not, Trump will cause immense damage abroad and in the US. Last thing the world needs right now. Sadly no amount of trials or charges seem to have any effect on him running so it will probably end up being decided at the election. And that is a massive risk, especially with old man Biden bumbling about.
Background Pony #8E51
We are really doomed. The debate show that Trump will win the election. We are fucked. The USA will be a far right fascist dictatorship. There will be another holocaust where everybody who isn’t a white straight Christian will get killed.
Background Pony #D717
Yeah, no amount of felonies/controversies are going to fracture his cult. They’ll bend over backwards to decry it all. And we can’t let the November results fall on the House to decide.
Idk if the best case would be him stepping down before November, but that still leaves the critical spot open. Kamala’s probably going to get shafted to hell and back, Newsom… exists. Third parties are the equivalent of tossing a single pail of water into a forest fire (not to mention how Trump stated he likes the more prominent third party people, Stein and West, siphoning votes).
Background Pony #8E51
@Zincy
Sorry but you are wrong. Trump is going to win the election. There are people that think that because of the debate Trump is going to win. There is nothing we can do about it. We are doomed.
Sorry but you are wrong. Trump is going to win the election. There are people that think that because of the debate Trump is going to win. There is nothing we can do about it. We are doomed.
Ereiam 
Monde de merde
@Background Pony #8E51
Classical background pony doomsaying. All Zincy’s saying is that it’s still too early to call it either way, and I’m sorry but I’m trusting his analysis over yours here, pal.
Classical background pony doomsaying. All Zincy’s saying is that it’s still too early to call it either way, and I’m sorry but I’m trusting his analysis over yours here, pal.
Background Pony #B76C
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Commune 
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While the debate won’t end Biden, I do feel the need to note that Biden needs every win he can get against Trump because he looks to be facing a tough reelection
Go away Varg
Commune
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@Background Pony #8E51
Excellent Black Metal musician who’s also a pagan neo nazi who burned down churches and killed a fellow bandmate
Excellent Black Metal musician who’s also a pagan neo nazi who burned down churches and killed a fellow bandmate
Now he mostly spends his days get dunked on by teenagers on Twitter
Background Pony #7A74
I think it was a big mistake to let Biden do the debate. He should never have done it. And his age is a real concern. 81 now, he is showing clear signs of slowing down and he walks around in a very stiff and odd way. If he wins, will he survive the presidency, let alone be able to govern in 4 years? I do hope he wins but this was a dent in his reelection campaign.
Twiface 
Princess of the Moon
We are fucked.
Yes, but not for the reasons you think.
The USA will be a far right fascist dictatorship.
No it won’t be. By European standards the USA has been “fascist” since 2001. Every president after Carter has been declared to be the next Hitler. It is not a dictatorship. Checks and balances still sort of work, states are increasingly defying federal authority and doing their own thing, both major parties are plagued by infighting (but it’s hurting the Republicans more), and all of our leading politicians are bumbling gerontocrats who literally don’t know what year it is, let alone the price of milk.
Even if Trump somehow gets a second term, this hypothetical second administration will be just as bumbling and incompetent as the first was, just as crammed with incompetent neoptism hires and backbiting flatterers as the first was, and the few policies that actually survive all the legal, judicial, and bureaucratic roadblocks would immediately be reversed come 2029.
There will be another holocaust where everybody who isn’t a white straight Christian will get killed.
No, that’s ridiculous. The Nazis couldn’t even go that far. The Republican Party is too busy chasing elusive ‘minority voters’ to plan their extermination, and even if they were planning a genocide, they’re not competent enough to actually carry one out. They have proven time and time again that they are cowards, and the only things they can do well are obstruct legislation and grift.
Trump is going to win the election.
No he won’t. 2016 was a fluke because the Dems sat on their laurels. He didn’t win last year, he won’t win again. And by 2028 shifting demographics will guarantee the Democrats win every subsequent election until the end of time.
There are people that think that because of the debate
Debates don’t change anyone’s minds, and they never have.
Trump will cause immense damage abroad and in the US. Last thing the world needs right now
The American Empire is the single biggest sponsor of war and terrorism in post-WWII history, and has provoked every single war since the death of Hitler. Incompetent leadership will hasten its collapse, and that’s a good thing for everybody.
@Background Pony #8E51
Varg Vikernes, a controversial Norwegian former black metal guy who now LARPs as a pagan neo-Nazi.
Varg Vikernes, a controversial Norwegian former black metal guy who now LARPs as a pagan neo-Nazi.
Commune
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provoked every single war since the death of Hitler
This is a massive exaggeration and is funnily enough, an example of American exceptionalism
Did the US play a role in say(choosing at random here), the China-Vietnam war and the Russo-Ukrainian war? Yeah, but they were by no means the main instigator and the internal politics of those countries were driving causes of those conflicts(China wishing to establish hegemony over a Vietnam that sided with the Soviets post Sino-Soviet split and Russia wanting to maintain its rapidly decaying imperialist power by any means necessary by taking over what it thought to be an easy target)
And then there’s wars like the Armenia-Azerbaijan wars where the US just straight up played such an insignificant role you can just write them out entirely in a history book and lose nothing
I don’t deny the collapse of US hegemony could(key word: could) lead to something good in the end, but until/unless we get to that end, it won’t be pretty at all
Niggoslav_Krawczyk 
#ChanYe2028
@CaptainXtra Naw, but Kirsche’s coverage sure was fun! You oughta know I’m a Grannynola supporter this time around! 😋 
GO GET’EM, GRANNY(s)!!!
Also I love there’s this one dedicated MF in every stream who just has to timestamp all her hiccups😂,
Man, that heat wave sure is something though, eh? 🫠🍾
Was too hot to even turn on the computer the last couple weeks so I was just reading a bunch of snarky French socialists.
Granted, being Fr*nch, they do tend to “word salad” quite a lot! What is blud waffling about?!?
Also I love there’s this one dedicated MF in every stream who just has to timestamp all her hiccups😂,
Man, that heat wave sure is something though, eh? 🫠🍾
Was too hot to even turn on the computer the last couple weeks so I was just reading a bunch of snarky French socialists.
Granted, being Fr*nch, they do tend to “word salad” quite a lot! What is blud waffling about?!?
@Poison Trail sounds about aight
@Twiface Republicans haven’t even been infighting since 2008, it’s a full on Sino-Soviet schism! The only things uniting them anymore are hating “liberal democrats,” and 2nd Amendment which is why you’re seeing a couple weird leftists/bernouts pop up here and there. Can’t even agree on the Jesus thing anymore since McAfee’s hedonists joined up! Sure the Jesus freaks/Neocons are still the biggest, but they’re also super old!
SleepySteve
Apples and Pears
I didn’t bother watching the debate (because I’ve already made up my mind years ago) so I’ll say two things:
- Biden will not step aside. Stop eating up that fantasy.
- This debate will likely 100% change nothing given how everybody hates these candidates.
Background Human 
CHS, Class of 20XX
@SleepySteve
The problem with last night is the same problem we face every four years: are the presidential debates debates, properly understood, or are they theater?
The problem with last night is the same problem we face every four years: are the presidential debates debates, properly understood, or are they theater?
As a debate, Biden unambiguously won. Despite his verbal stumbles, he made a good faith effort to substantively answer each of the moderators’ questions, whereas Trump responded to every prompt with the same stream-of-consciousness bullshit that defines his campaign rallies. On several occasions, the moderators had to gently remind the former resident what topic he was supposed to be addressing.
As theater, however, Trump won. In theory, it was a tie. Both candidates affirmed their respective stereotypes: Biden is old, Trump is insane. Neither was a particularly compelling orator. But Democratic voters are deeply concerned about Biden’s oldness, while Trump’s untreated neurosyphilis doesn’t seem to bother Republican voters in the least.
Angrybrony 
🔥Sunset is best girl🔥
@Background Human
they showed both extremes of persons brain turning into mush and dust. biden could get his brain jump started in a minute while trump vomited up whatever neomentholic thought that slides of his glassy smooth head.
they showed both extremes of persons brain turning into mush and dust. biden could get his brain jump started in a minute while trump vomited up whatever neomentholic thought that slides of his glassy smooth head.
BlitztheDragon
I would consider televised debates theater, dating all the way back to the first one between Kennedy and Nixon in 1960. Kennedy came off as youthful, confident, and charming while Tricky Dick looked sullen, gloomy, and humorless. That had a notable impact in Jack’s favor.
Now, given how polarized the electorate is, it’s unlikely to affect the race more than a little on the margins. But Biden can’t afford many setbacks.
The Smiling Pony 
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It’s theatre, sure. Everyone knew Trump was going to rant about the border/immigrants, Chieanna, being the bestest president that’s ever lived and the US now being a third world country, and that Biden was to bring up Beau, Trump being a felon, and drop at least one “malarkey”. Nobody was going to be swayed by the arguments.
But the point for this particular bit of theatre was for both to demonstrate they were still lucid and energetic, and boy did Biden not do that, at all. Democrats have been harping on about how behind closed doors Biden is always super bright and attentive, quick witted, alert, commanding; for three years people have been begging “ok, well, how about actually show us that facet?”, and last night we definitely did not get that.
If Biden steps down, it won’t be any time soon. They can’t make it seem like it’s because of the debate (ie. because of Trump), they’ll have to wait until there’s some “health scare” or whatever that makes it look separate.
I’d be shocked if at least half the dem senators and governors, and Obama, haven’t called up Biden to tell him to step down. But none of them will say anything publicly, of course.
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