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Beau Skunky
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends
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Magnificent Metadata Maniac - #1 Assistant
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Hipster brony
@HoriaHannah
Lavan or Sombra?

I felt Sombra was actually a li'l unique because of how more subtle & foreboding he was then other villains in G4 MLP:FiM. His traps & tricks hinted he was quite clever, and was a nice change of pace from the usual verbal "Haha! I'm so evil & hammy!" villains.
HoriaHannah

Man I love whiney artist
@thps48
“Here’s to power, isn’t it grand? Holding the world, within your hand.”

Ugh, that guy was just the epitome of the “Generic Doomsday Villain”. He was evil because he was evil because he was evil, therefore he wanted power because he was evil.

No plan, no goals, just despotism. Just a rehash of Tirac.
Millennial Dan
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@DAPLR
Oh, it's ironic alright, and that lack of self-awareness is really something. As I've explained time and time again, the stuff you bring up is simply the prop for your preferred outcome, nothing more. You've already made it clear that you have no intention of regarding common definitions or anything of that sort, so like I already said, feel free to obstinately believe whatever you want. It doesn't matter. Meanwhile, I along with many others will continue to disregard IDW's variant interpretations. The comics don't have the same tone, style, consistency, characterization, medium, or even the same target demographics as the show. Thinking of them both as being part of a consistent timeline would be absurd.
DAPLR
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@Millennial Dan
I disagree, but not for the reasons you might think. That is a general rule rather than a specific point, so in having it, you kneecap media that use tertiary media away from the source to provide a more expansive story. Mass Effects comics vastly expand on the characters, as do the Mortal Kombat and Predator comics. Your case would ruin a lot of key character development and backstory for some important characters. There are inconsistencies if one were to point them out, but in the by and large, they add far more to the story than they contradict. Thankfully, official comics are very often seen as canon with the creators and will often give a reference here or there to the comic or general expanded Universe. Yeah, contradictions happen, but that is present in all franchises once they get large enough. Something will not make sense relative to the world, and when that happens, a choice is made by the creators to acknowledge one or the other.

Oh, and don't fall under some false pretense that just because something makes sense for you automatically means it makes sense for everyone, so anyone disagreeing with you is being nonsensical. It make you seem very arrogant bordering on narcissistic. Oh, and before you point it out, my case, which is more evidence than opinion, is different, so it's not ironic. Luckily, I just realized, it doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, cause it doesn't change the fact Hasbro says the comics are canon.
Millennial Dan
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@DAPLR
Already did. Unlike actual history, fictional continuity isn't something that has a single true narrative, giving rise to questions that are subject to all kinds of problems. We try to concern ourselves with what "makes sense" in a story like this, and it's not unusual to also rely on popular understandings of what really "counts" in an ongoing series. You dissent from that notion, as if there really was any way to appeal to some authority on what defines absolute canonicity. For most people, the 'A' canon, as you called it, is the only material that is undeniable, and even then, retcons happen all the time. But offshoot variant media is definitely optional, and oftentimes downright apocryphal, however official. This makes sense. But the fact that it makes sense is obviously not going to make you change your mind. That's just the way it goes sometimes.
Millennial Dan
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@DAPLR
You know, I think you're hugely mistaken in the way you're thinking about this; but despite the fact that your logic is totally flawed, that doesn't mean I think you're the "loser" of the argument. That's an incredibly silly way to think about disputes like this. You're taking yourself way too seriously.

As I've stated many times already, you have a particular set of terms by which you think a case should be built, and as far as I'm concerned, those terms are wrong. There's nothing else to discuss. You think tweets by some comic artist are the be-all end-all of overall canon continuity, which is nonsense. Most fandoms take such stuff with a hefty grain of salt. You don't like that idea. No consensus can be reached. That's all there is to it.

Now relax. Quit trying to make a nerdy disagreement a super srs bsns duel to the death.
DAPLR
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@Millennial Dan
Please explain how in this canon 'debate' where you anything but the loser? You never had any evidence to support any of your claims. You just said words and gave your opinion. That's nice, but not helpful here. This debate is built on sources, because then others can refer to it if need be. With you, everything you say about why it is or isn't canon is superseded by the Hasbro tweet. I invited you multiple times to join me on this level of argumentative discussion, but you never showed one ounce of investigation into the specifics of this topic. How can you do this? By looking into it. Look up tweets and messages and journal entries of MLP officials. Finding offical information to help support your argument OR learn that your opinion isn't correct and swallow your pride and accept you were wrong about this.
Oh, and why didn't you touch the Star Wars comparison? Was it cause I called you out with a perfect example of comics acting as established canon in an IP that has them as the 'B' canon?
Hasbro says the comics are canon. Until you can beat that statement with an official tweet of equal or greater relative authority, then you lose. I didn't set these terms, my friend, this is how ACTUAL debates are done. With evidence, not opinions.
Millennial Dan
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@DAPLR
A sure sign of childishness is an obsession with declaring oneself the "winner" of an argument on the internet, especially when that argument is about what counts in the continuity of a cartoon about magical horses.
Millennial Dan
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@DAPLR
Stubborn as a mule. Think what you want, it really doesn't matter. You've settled on a pattern of thinking that fits your model of how you figure things ought to work, and you'll reject anything that disagrees with it. Big deal. It's all a mess of shallow circular reasoning, not really worth anyone's time.
DAPLR
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@Millennial Dan
As I suspected. Nothing of relevance here. TVtropes isn't evidence, it's practically a wiki. All it is is a collection of cliches and tropes from previous media.
I've given evidence, you've given nothing.
As a person, Price's opinion is only his own, but it's the fact that Hasbro, who owns the IP, believes it to be canon also. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise, only speculation, which isn't worth bunk. So it comes back to what I said first. You don't own MLP, Hasbro does. Hasbro says the comics are canon. Done. Don't like it? Well, too bad. That's the way it is. If it isn't, please give me a EVIDENTIAL reason to believe you, not your, in this circumstance, useless opinion(no offence).

Oh, and you say extra material almost never gets considered(at least, you doubted it)? Freaking Star Wars, man, before it got nuked by Disney. Mara Jade, Kyle Katarn, the Galactic War, Luke having a second smaller lightsaber. Canon. Why do you think Disney did that stuff in the first place? It was because it WAS part of the story, now it isn't.
Millennial Dan
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@DAPLR
You are approaching this entire subject with an initial assumption that "canon" and continuity can be defined by statements made by guys like Price, which is merely your opinion, and it's a pretty dang weak one by the way. And you think that a contrary position must apply your way of thinking before even getting started, making debate pretty pointless. As I predicted, you're completely obstinate, as people almost always are about this kind of thing.

The comics follow the show around like a shadow. The show is what is "really real", and the rest is just plain optional. That's how it always goes in fiction. And because it's fiction, the rules are blurry and sometimes a challenge to define.

The only link I will provide, since you seem to think that is so important, is this one. When it comes to TV shows, the only thing you're not "allowed" to contradict is the stuff that they actually show in the series. Extended universe stuff is almost never considered in the same way, if it ever has been, which I doubt.
DAPLR
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@Millennial Dan
Time to end this

First off; below this a video discussing the comics themselves and their relationship to the show. Here, it is revealed that the comics are always fact checked to make sure they never spoil upcoming story archs in the episode. They are closely monitored in their content for while the show will likely never reference the comics, the comics actively change with the show. This makes the show 'A' canon and the comics 'B' canon. The higher the letter, the higher the claim of canon. But if no contradiction is made, then A and B are canon equally, even if one doesn't allude to another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66acAjq9B1A&feature=youtu.be

Next up; A Journal entry from Andy Price about the comics, detailing what to expect from them. Note number four on his list. It is in the same continuity as the show. He says it is only after the show in canon ability, putting it in 'B' canon. A note in your favour is that he claims that while he personally says it is canon, it could also be up to the person. However, my previous link to that tweet with Hasbro is set after this and has relative authority to supercede this statement. It's canon.
Andy Journal: http://andypriceart.deviantart.com/journal/Important-News-on-the-MLP-Comic-331014657
Andy 'Hasbro claims canon' tweet: https://twitter.com/andypriceart/status/461550768492150784

Third; Damnit, I can't seem to find the quote or link to the writers stating the show canon supersedes the comic canon, but until the show contradicts the comic, the canon is stable (just so I have both corporate and writer statements backing me up). But I think it's common enough knowledge that the comics aren't actively effecting the show nor will they be in the forseeable future.

Okay, so…your turn. And, you accused me of making up facts, despite the fact I brought evidence you simply disagreed with for no reason other than your own opinion. Irony.

Now, I've thrown down this gauntlet. Can you give me evidence to say that the comics are not canon in a manner that would supersede the writers and the company that owns the IP? If your response doesn't have a link in it…I'll do the courtesy to read it, but not much else.
This isn't about 'viewpoints', this is about what is and isn't. Until you have more than your opinion to back up your claims, and I don't think you will find enough, I think I have won this little *ahem 'debate'
Millennial Dan
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@DAPLR
The "evidence" you bring is completely spurious, and the alternative viewpoint is something you simply dismiss. You want the comics to be "canon" to the continuity of the show, but there is no compelling reason for anyone to think of them in those terms. Believe whatever you want, but facts are not your prerogative to invent.