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“Will you win?”
“We do not deserve to lose.”
“We do not deserve to lose.”
Long live the EZLN
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Perhaps,but with much more fancy hats.
So, like a president without the terms?
Well,That’s why I believe society should center around a stable yet always developing system that tries to enforce a practical majority behavior. personal Sacrifices and loss of culture will be necessary but that stuff is already happening in the world uncontrollably now. It’s all necessary vague of course but such a system should be the base.
Monarchs don’t have to worry about elections too much and thus can focus on maintaining and expanding society in directions that can “positively” expand it. If a monarch or any leader really goes too far, or goes in another direction and refuses to retract or justify it,they will be checked and either reigned in or removed with another more popular monarch taking place. Its a sort of simplified version of what governments do already.
A leader having a problem with the general population and trying to change them will always be problematic,But they can only do so much as they will feel constant pressure from their family who can affect them in ways media and peers couldn’t’ either with threats or coercion making it unlikely they would be stick to that position. Really the stable society I Mentioned earlier would have to absorb most problems,after all governments are usually reflections of their societies. It may seem impracticable in today’s environment but I feel to impart a monarchy would require a society culturally different from this one anyhow,one that on its own would deter most of the social problems we have now.
What that means,is still very Hypothetical of course. It would have to be figured out along the way but at least we would have plenty of data to base it on.
I totally get where you come from, but even now our own elected officials prioritize re-election and self-interest over the good of the people. Why would a monarchy be any better? What if there’s a monarch who disagrees with just about everything you or the general population believe in?
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I suppose it was a half-joke. Like I said A monarchy brings a face to a government,one more invested than a party or leader elected for some term. From birth their invested in the nation and can serve as a symbol of stability and humanity for populations foreign and domestic. Of course monarchs can be overthrown as you pointed out but in the modern day most monarchs are voted out by local referendums rather than other powers.
It would have to be a Constitutional monarchy,like Britain but with more power to make them more relevant. Most governing would still be based on democracy and party’s with their liberty and freedom(whatever that means) but if a citizen ever felt disgusted with their government they can always look to the monarch and vice versa. A lot of kinks would need to be worked out and checks in place but I feel a modern enlightened monarch might work better than most people might think.
It all very hypothetical for me of course and perhaps the combination of absolute disgust for modern democratic government and their alternatives and too much MLP fanfiction.
Oh, I never felt attacked. Didn’t intend on sounding defensive. I suppose We could go back and forth with this all day, not that either of us would want to, but I would like to know why someone like yourself who supports freedom and liberty wouldn’t mind a monarchy. Unless of course you were just joking the whole time and I didn’t pick up on it. It just seems like people who support classism always see themselves near the top while being completely apathetic towards everyone else.
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Well you have responding as if I am attacking you personally.I’m not.I’m speaking broadly about the problems of modern fascist Fighters and the problems humanity faces in general.
For your first point I haven’t refused proof, you haven’t asked. I haven’t given any because my certainty is based on the observation’s of patterns of governments and individuals and the solid assumption that any ideology in power will always seek to more secure their survival and enforcement and thus always seek to gain as much power as they can get,whether openly and/or legally or not. Can I prove this? Can it be disproved? we could give examples of specifics that contradict each other but I think I would find more examples leaning toward my pattern than not.
For your second point,I also never denied you being concerned with this issues. I implied that the “democratic” governing order of the world(U.N. U.S. ect)has not taken nearly enough effort to solve them,distracted with other ideology issues as they are and thus we are doomed to see their consequences for the entirety of the foreseeable future regardless of who comes to power.
For your third point of contention,I never said you said Trump or the EU were fascist,I was referring to the loads of idiots(antifa for example) who because they want to label their enemies with bad names and because they refuse to understand the critical difference between ideological fascism and ones they label fascist ,thus creating a simplified level of debate that will never be able to actually address the problems they want.
For you last point, What you said could be used a justification for every group that wants to justify its actions toward another without dialogue or negotiation. It that’s kind of talk that the Hutu power movement told their followers to justify slaughtering the Tutsi without negotiating or mercy. Think about this- “THEY won’t talk, THEY won’t listen.THEY won’t compromise. WERE the reasonable and logical side so we don’t need to lower ourselves by Debateing with THEM. Thus all our actions our justified and we don’t need to change”. I’m sure the Rioters at Berkley were all congratulating themselves on how they saved their university from the corruption and violence of the Fascist (and no I don’t like Milo or Conway either).
Imagine if Bernie Sanders went to a town and right wing rioters barred his speech. I wonder how that would go down in the left. Who would claim “Debating with those unwilling to compromise is a waste of time and energy.”?
And thus all sides never try to understand each other,negotiation fails and violence beaks out as frustration boils over…all side blaming each other.
Really its a terrible,cheap and just plain dumb argument for anyone.
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I’m certain that any ideaolgy left,Right or even that third way garbage would ,if they could get away with it,would form a tolitarian Government given time and power regardless of their ideaology or what not.
You keep saying that, but refuse to offer any proof. Just sounds like fear mongering to me.
overpopulation,climate change, circular conflict(the areas of the world that have been unstable war zones for years if not decades) are a greater threat to the future survival of society than any poltical ideaolgy.
I never denied being concerned with these ongoing issues.
Think of it this way,your a thousand times more likely to get killed From a cancer then die in terroist attack in the west but where have the billions of dollars gone to?
Right into the “defense” budget. Meanwhile, we refuse to provide our own people with clean water because it isn’t profitable.
Don’t even get me started on the disastrous AHCA. “Give to the rich, take from the poor” smh. I also never called Trump or the EU fascist (lol). Stop putting words in my mouth.
we always miss the levels we need to communicate and form effective change in social conversation and debate with these entities.
Debating with those unwilling to compromise is a waste of time and energy.
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I worry more about the people claiming to fight “fascism” gaining political power.
Any extreme ideaolgy has its problem but the Problems of the world like overpopulation,climate change, circular conflict(the areas of the world that have been unstable war zones for years if not decades) are a greater threat to the future survival of society than any poltical ideaolgy.
Because of the lax and token efforts “democratic”governments on the left and especially the Right have made to fix these problems,them being focused on tax breaks or bathroom laws instead have meant that these problems are not being solved to a point where their consequences won’t be devasting still to future generations even if they were all stoped today. Think of it this way,your a thousand times more likely to get killed From a cancer then die in terroist attack in the west but where have the billions of dollars gone to?
The hunt for fascism is a joke. Donald trump is not a fascist,the EU is not fascist,Thersa May is not fascist. Perhaps you say certain governments or groups share some traits of fascism but to limit the perception of them into fascist entities takes away the very critical difference they have and thus we always miss the levels we need to communicate and form effective change in social conversation and debate with these entities.
Beside I’m certain that any ideaolgy left,Right or even that third way garbage would ,if they could get away with it,would form a tolitarian Government given time and power regardless of their ideaology or what not.And of course,it would be for the “good of the people”.
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I’m not talking about full fascism here, but fascists gaining political power in a world based on democratic values and free trade is certainly a problem.
There are many better ways to Oppose fascism than whatever Antifa does.Antifa are a bunch of thugs,who for all their bolstering would gladly form a fascist gov’t so they can “protect” us from fascism.
Of course Real fascism couldn’t exist anymore,like Communism it’s an ideology unable to work within the modern globalized world. They would find themselves isolated and ineffective in a world based on democratic values and free trade.
Doesn’t stop every one on the left(and a few on the rigth) from calling anyone who opposes whatever their currently propping up as “fascist”(it’s almost comical hearing the dictator of venzula calling the people protesting for elections and transparency of goverment fascist)! I can’t take people who say they opposes fascism Seriously,there like the idiots on watch against vaccines or the militias waiting for that commie invasion. The problems of the world have move beyond the limited ideologies of communism and fascism,that won’t stop whatever group from using their negative connotations on their enemies .
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Wut. Though I suppose when you have no legitimate ethical or logical argument for fascism, you just end up spending all your time criticizing those who oppose it. That’s why you’ll never find many proud pro-fascists, but an abundance of “I’m anti-antifa” comments.
That is Frankenstein’s monster. It’s from a retelling of the classic horror story by famous manga artist Junji Ito. And that is all I have to say about anything.
Pro-fascism? Who said anything about that? D:
^HUAT. IS. HAPPENING.
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Who or what is that ghastly thing behind that window I don’t even…
What were we even talking about to begin with? D:
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Dude wat
@KingKek42
I certainly don’t see eye to eye with this person but refusing to hold any sort of dialogue is equally childish and toxic, especially when the opposing side is basically attempting to engage in the same type of authoritarian bullshit. If you’re not willing to even attempt to understand or convince your political opponents you might as well just bring on the civil war.
Also gotta say, love that this is turning into another US political wankfest. This pic doesn’t even have to do with the United States.
your current filter.Once again, you just described half this site’s users.