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Starlight has shown more badass-ness in 2 minutes than Twilight in 6 seasons
Haha Spot-on.
Aren’t there multiple possible explanations for things like that though? For instance:
Not saying any of the above are true, but speculations like that are part of fandoms.
It’s for the best of all possible worlds.
My thoughts exactly, with the exception that I don’t really like the direction in which they took Fluttershy either. I am calling that Starlight is our next alicorn.
Again, I feel you. I truly do. But again, the longer the show goes on, the more the writers are going to keep showing Twilight (and Starlight, assuming she sticks around for the long run) pulling off incredible feats of magic that make the rest of the population, including her friends, look like feeble mortals in comparison.
The writers don’t care. And if they don’t care, why should I, the viewer, who can’t do anything about it either way, care about it either?
Besides, this show is clearly going to hell anyway. Season 6 has been mostly awful, with the mane six (except Fluttershy) going backwards in development if they’re going anywhere at all, the CMC’s new arc being shoved aside, and Starlight continuing to receive gentle slaps on the wrist for blunders that anyone else would be sent to Tartarus for, just so that she can receive some massive payoff in the finale that she probably won’t deserve.
I mean hey why study literature and art forms at all then? Most of the writers and artists don’t care about their own work beyond its own integrity.
The reason why is we establish value to these characters and they invoke emotional response in us.
But what about stuff like Sparknotes and those countless analyses? They attempt (and succeed given that we study literature as a discipline) to rationalize those responses and find techniques and methods that artists and writers use in their works.
Most of these discussions aren’t rational, that’s a given. But it can be possible.
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Yeah, that’s what everyone keeps telling me whenever I raise any criticism. They say “It is a show for kids, you shouldn’t be expecting quality from it!”, to which my reply usually is “Yet you are still watching it. Wasn’t MLP supposed to be MORE than just another stupid cartoon for kids?”
It is certainly depressing to see this once great show dying, but I guess all good things come to an end sooner or later… I only wish people would stop calling anyone who thinks the show quality is lacking a hipster or something silly like that. It annoys the crap outta me.
Because some of us are trying to watch a competent cartoon?
Our mistake, most likely.
@Josh103
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not happy about this at all. I just no longer see any point in caring. You honestly might as well just accept that Twilight and Starlight are goddesses without limits who can do virtually anything.
The writers don’t care. Why should we?
Another one has figured it out! I’m proud of ya.
Because not all people realize how stupid and harmful it is for the show to have such overpowered characters? It is just a sign of lazy and bad writing, which is “okay” because people here have really low expectations and standards :/
BTW, what you say is completely true, and it makes me sad :(
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We’ve seen it plenty of times already. We’ve seen obvious moments where Twilight has completely forgotten that she could use a spell to get herself or others out of a sticky situation. Also, she clearly has no trouble teleporting herself and others great distances, but for whatever reason, she decides to waste time (and money as well) riding the Friendship Express to get from place to place.
The writers clearly do not care about setting limits for either of them. The only time they’ll bother setting limits is when the plot needs for them to forget how powerful they are so they they can’t just solve whatever they’re faced with with a simple flick of their horns.
So what’s the point of getting invested in this?
“Our timeline shouldn’t have existed.
Stop Starlight from creating any more false Equestrias,
then return to the timeline you came from and set it back on its proper course by both you and Starlight actually being in there and not out somewhere else doing things they shouldn’t be doing.”
Sooo… there you go ;P
The glowy stuff can just trace leftower magic from crossing the dimensions, plus her even having the barest clue she isn’t in the original timeline is already 4-th wall breaking since there is no way of really knowing that except for poor narrator insert in the form of a wise zebra. She didn’t have any methods to understand that she is in the “wrong” timeline. Or did you ever wake up and think “Shoot! I shouldn’t exist, clearly I and everyone else in the Universe will die and revert to a different person just as soon as these two pesky unicorns leave us be.” Do you feel like drinking chocolate milk today to alleviate that headache of yours? :D
Come on, I am not the only one who thinks that. In fact, everyone I’ve talked up to now thought that they were parallel timelines just as I am telling you. The crazy Zebra can say all it wants, but this is still vague and the only way in which the whole thing with multiple resets would make any logical sense and no cause a paradox would be the multiple timeline theory.
Starlight? Engineering something clever? Dude, you are saying this about a unicorn who purposefully left the spell so that her arch-nemesis can follow her and ruin her plan. Also, it is impossible to reset the universe but not the traveler without causing a paradox. When you erase the botched-up race you also erase the events that caused it together with the characters who caused it, therefore you erase the very event that lead to the universe being reset. You can argue that there are ways of doing it, but this is far less likely than just moving between separate time lines for each jump. And yes, they did disappear. An individual is defined by their memories and experiences. The ponies from those timelines and the ponies from the main timeline are all different. Even if the universe SOMEHOW got reset, those lives were still lost. If this is the case, then Starlight killed everyone on Equus several times over. Also yes, I do realize that the writers probably didn’t even spend like 10 minutes thinking these mechanics over with the way show has been as of late, but that doesn’t mean we can’t have fun and have an engaging discussion, now does it? :)
So, in the end I hope you see that nothing the show said indicates that either your or my theory is incorrect. This is purely subjective and up to speculation, personally I prefer to believe the more logical approach featured in most Sci-Fi shows and novels where the characters going back in time repeatedly can actually see their past selves and if they don’t - that must be an entirely new location they haven’t been to before. Alas, we are at a standstill.
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Time travel stories rarely make complete sense, one has to work with the rules established for the particular story, and in this one it was clear they were going with the “there is one proper timeline, it can be changed but the result is gradual corruption of the timeline and it must be set right to avoid complete destruction.” You want proof? I again point to Zecora’s words:
Zecora: “It is we who should not be.”
Zecora: “Stop Starlight and put the whole world back on track!”
I don’t see how her words could be implied to mean anything other than her saying that Twilight fixing the timeline would remove the alternate timeline from existence. Why else would that stuff she put on Twilight and Spike glow like that? It was to show they were from the real timeline, not the false one that Zecora was in. And I call it false because Zecora plainly said she and everyone else in her timeline was not supposed to exist, ergo if the timeline is fixed then “we who should not be” would cease to be (or rather change to what they were supposed to be).
Not to mention the whole goal Twilight has is to get RD’s race to go on uninterrupted so that the timeline could be restored. I’ve never heard anyone but you until now argue that those alternate timelines continued to exist.
And of course they never ran into past versions of themselves from the previous time they traveled back. Each time they traveled back it was a new attempt at changing the timeline, the previous attempt having been erased. Avoiding running into past versions of themselves would have been one of the most obvious things for Starlight to engineer into her altered spell, just like she made sure that she would travel a bit further back than Twilight every time Twilight used the spell.
And do you honestly think a series like MLP cares about the logic of making a whole universe disappear when even series aimed at adults rarely care about that? Not to mention its not like they truly disappeared, they changed and became their proper form.
And as a final note, there is no way the series would have so many awful worlds, including one that implied a complete apocalypse, continue to exist. The whole point of those episodes was to make it so the bad futures/presents did not happen, not to make it so they didn’t happen in only one timeline.
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How would they cease to exist? What makes time travelers so important that without them an entire universe with COUNTLESS living being simply disappears? This is ridiculous and I am pretty sure it was never stated explicitly ANYWHERE that they disappear. We simply stop observing them and forget they ever existed, but it doesn’t meant that all the matter in that universe and the universe itself magically collapsed due to our whim. So no, excuse me but it is not a safe bet in the slightest and I have literally no idea how you even thought of it being one.
Anchor to the proper timeline and restoring anything has zero correlation. All anchor does is helping the traveler navigate to the universe/timeline he left from. In fact, maybe the whole chase was completely pointless in the first place. If you think about it, it is rather unlikely that an individual can change the past and our entire lives cease to exist and get rewritten. More likely then not, they just create their own spin on the universe and keep living in it, so Starlight would probably just disappear Rick and Morty style, kill her twin and then take her place there :D
In all seriousness though, you do realize that these were ALL different universes or else they would inevitably stumble on the previous iteration of their past selves altering the past before them? Well, guess what? They didn’t. Which means every time the spell fired they traveled to an alternate dimension, never visiting the same timeline more than once or it would have caused a paradox with their previous selves not doing the changes they did and therefore not creating their current selves to undo their past selves. EVERY universe they’ve changed was a separate timeline, and there is ZERO reasons for these universes to magically stop existing just because a foreign entity not even belonging to the said timeline left it. Therefore, they pop in, do the change, fuck up everything, and leave. The universe keeps going on because it is literally an endless thing and a mortal being can never hope to destroy or create it. In the end they indeed use the anchor to return to where they left, but nothing in that universe ever changed to begin with.
If nothing else its pretty safe to say that the alternate timelines ceased to exist once the proper timeline was restored. That’s how those kinds of time travel stories work, they don’t leave the awful timelines still existing (that is something that happens in another type of time travel story).
Really there is not a single bit of evidence in anything that was said or that occurred that would suggest those alternate Equestrias were left to suffer whatever fate they had. The whole point of the episodes was to undo those fates that “should not be” as Zecora put it. It was also why the Tree of Harmony was able to keep helping Twilight, it was the anchor to the proper timeline and sought to restore it.
Describes my thoughts exactly :D
Add to that my distaste towards OCs, especially poorly made, OP or edgy ones, and you get a perfect mix, which in my case literally served as the last nail in the show’s coffin. And being a crappy OC is probably what people like her for, to one degree or another.
@Ryodraco
Speculation or not, but I’d like to believe that there is no inherent evil. There is certainly predisposition towards it, but it can be averted or completely overwritten if treated properly. This is pointless to discuss, but seeing as the good Sombra in the comics absorbed all evil from alicorns and turned into the EXACT copy of evil Sombra kind of indicates that the only difference in the “main universe/timeline” is that the dark magic entity got to him first/right-away and corrupted his being. Doesn’t this seem like the most logical explanation, especially with Luna pretty much having to endure the same fate? Can’t be proven though, which is a shame.
Ponies ARE most of the world from what we know, and pretty much the only thing most bronies care. Her actions CREATED those words, and I doubt they just poof and disappeared after they left. Magic is a powerful thing, but I doubt it can create and erase entire universes, nor can it just continuously rollback to the previous iteration and then re-configure itself. Far more likely explanation is that she basically took a copy of Equestria, transported herself there, fucked it up by her irresponsible and rash actions, and then left everyone in it to suffer whatever fate they had… that is if they weren’t dead by then due to various cataclysms. Basically every action you take has a universe/timeline where this action happened and the other where it didn’t, only in this case Starlight created a bunch of additional lousy ones because she had the power to do so by altering fundamental time points that simply shouldn’t be changed.
But don’t you think that even without destroying multiple Equestria’s, kidnapping anyone who comes close or crosses her village, forcefully removing their cutie mark (which alters who they are), and then locking them up in a room that basically uses World War 2 brainwashing methods (exerting huge stress on their mind) is not really something that should remain unpunished? Shouldn’t we teach our youth that their actions have consequences and therefore they need to act responsibly, no?
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Yes. It is. I’m convinced that SG is someone’s kid’s OC.
It’s annoying. I wanted to like SG but she’s one bad cliché affer another. And it pisses me off because they’re doing with her some things I wanted, like more creativity than “bubble shields and magic lasers”. Well, somewhat…
Another thing that blows my mind is that if Celestia, for example, pulled the shit SG pulled in this episode, both morally and by magic proficiency, people would be crying Mary Sue and Tyrantlestia. and yet Celestia is an already established character that actually earned this sort of thing, while SG feels like a self-insert that was hammered in the group of the main characters.
When was that ever shown? I don’t recall that being in any material other than one in the comics that involved a alternate universe (and in that one he did it to make a evil Celestia and Luna good). The show makes it pretty clear Sombra was simply a powerful and evil unicorn by choice, even if evil magic could be speculated to have corrupted him as he used it more and more.
I don’t really understand how you came to those conclusions. In detail:
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Well, that’s just stupid on too many levels at once, but I guess some people somehow don’t care about common sense or believable plot lines, which is of course none of my business… Unfortunately this doesn’t change the fact that I still can’t enjoy or even watch the show ever since this blunder of a character joined the main cast, which, I guess, is solely my problem :/
At least I am not alone on this matter, although to be fair, most people who shared my view on this issue have already bailed the ship and are doing their best to forget all the recent letdowns the show has caused and enjoy something more up their age and worldviews.
MLP has an odd way of missing the moral implications of what characters do. Usually because the writer is too focused on something else. It seemed that in Twy’s mind the problem was that SG was missing her friendship lessons, and not that she just violated her friends will.
And now a question, why did a scary looking bad guy get blasted to pieces and insta-killed, when a pretty purple mare with way more blood and misery on her hooves got rewarded for basically doing the same thing, only worse and on a bigger scale? First she attempted turning the world into brainwashed bunch with her as a superior leader and then she went and destroyed several worlds on a whim. Even Discord or NMM haven’t done anything of the sort. If one were to really think about it, Starlight is the most heinous villain so far, and she just happens to be the one with the least punishment and the most rewards as well. Doesn’t this seem a bit off to anyone?
Correction, if Twilight still was a unicorn, we wouldn’t need an overpowered poorly written and utterly broken ripoff aka Starlight to replace her in the main cast. Because that’s where the show is going, isn’t it?
@Background Pony #14FE
Now that’s a really dickish thing to say about someone you disagree with. Looks just as if you are in denial but have no viable options to counter what’s being said. Letting your personal grudges from the past control your actions is quite immature as well…
@mathprofbrony
Because she would probably just magic her way out of any scuffle, brainwash the populace and be done with it. With the way brainwashing is progressing, one has to ask if it is indeed as rare as the show implies it is… Anyways, have you noticed that the map rarely sends Twilight to do anything at all? It happened what, once or twice in season 5? I don’t know how many times in S6 because Starlight pretty much drove me away from MLP at the season finale, but my guess would be not many and quite a few of them being just to get Twi away so that the main plot can happen. Getting sidetracked again, the show even pokes fun at how Twilight wants to go on a mission with her friends but can’t since the map pics less overpowered ponies for the job each time. Well, guess what? Starlight is woefully OP, even more so than Twilight is after getting those goddamn wings! No wonder the map ignores her, especially if one were to include her despicable self-centered personality to the mix.
Introducing Starlight was definitely a poor decision that had cost this fandom lots of people outright up and leaving, but you can’t say that alicornification wasn’t as bad because without alicornification, without distancing Twilight and turning her into an OP Mary Sue that doesn’t panic anymore and always makes the right decisions… well, we wouldn’t need Starlight at all. We wouldn’t need more and more powerful enemies too! There would be no constant, typical anime-style “I am more powerful than you, look at me!” struggle to begin with. Therefore, giving Twi wings is what started all our current issues and ultimately lead to the show’s downfall (IMO of course). One cound argue that constant fan service and fandom toxicity towards unpopular views and headcanons are also to blame here, but IMO they are nowhere as crippling as the rapid deterioration of show’s quality.
Elements of Harmony, then.
Before you say “also not a fair comparison,” remember that in this world friendship is magic; it’s literally a magical power source and tool that can be tapped. Twilight and her friends have literally tamed the incarnation of chaos, driven the Nightmare out of Princess Luna, and lest we forget, beaten Starlight Glimmer twice in head-on confrontations when necessary.
The Cutie Map doesn’t send Starlight Glimmer to go solve Equestria’s problems.