Season 7 Episode Discussion [Speculation, Discussion, Spoilers] (SPOILER YOUR LEAKS)

@Philweasel  
Of course, using it here doesn’t work because of how the Nightmare Forces possessed Rarity for the sole fact that it would prevent the Mane Six from being able to use the Elements of Harmony on it. Moreso since Starlight was never a bearer in the first place and simply wouldn’t be able to provide quite the same drama because she isn’t one of the Mane Six.
 
Seriously, if they tried to so this, copy the Nightmare Rarity arc, I’d be pissed.

@EquestrianScholar
 
I just didn’t like the Nightmarity arc at all. So I’d probably partially dislike it. Just for different reasons.

@EotD  
It does seem likely that by part 2 that the shadow pony will be separated for some reason as it just mentions our shadowy friend and not some nightmare counterpart.

@gingerninja666  
Well it isn’t the first thing we’ve disagree on.

@EquestrianScholar  
I also disagree on a purely subjective stance that you wouldn’t be able to have it be dramatic to have Starlight turn evil again.

@EquestrianScholar  
The EoH continue to be a mystery. How did it work with Nightmare Luna? She was a bearer, but the elements had no issue jumping ship to Celestia. Seems like a good fail-safe to have in the event the bearer loses the plot, so they can continue to be used. Whichever ones Luna was connected too anyway. When Celestia and Luna were the bearers, was it 3 each, or all six connected to both simultaneously. Why weren’t they in the shape of their cutie marks like they are with the Mane 6, but have that hexagonal shape instead?

@Background Pony #F78E  
maybe they were previous bearers or maybe the tree of harmony lost faith in them or had plunder vine issues.

@Vortaxonus  
I can get why the Elements weren’t on necklaces/crown when Celestia had them from a out-of-universe design perspective. It’d look silly for Celestia to be wearing 6 necklaces(she has the neck for it), and 2 crowns. Shame there’s no fanart of that, it’d be funny.

@Background Pony #F78E
 
Luna and Celestia had three each. Going by the flashback in “Princess Twilight Sparkle”, where each sister pulls out three elements from her bag (and their auras keep hold of those same elements throughout the scene) Celestia had Magic, Kindness and Generosity, while Luna had Loyalty, Honesty and Laughter.

@Background Pony #F78E  

Well, look at the time we saw them being used by Celestia and Luna (specifically the three they each seem to be carrying).  
 
If we assume that they remain consistent color wise (and the star shaped one doesn’t change shape) from the time Celestia and Luna are connected to them up to when Twilight and her friends do…  
 
…then it looks as though Celestia was once the bearer of generosity, kindness and magic (which is probably extremely fitting given her role as a teacher, mentor, and ruler). Luna would therefore (both visually and by process of elimination) have wielded loyalty, honesty and laughter.
 
At least that’s how it appears to me.

@Background Pony #8FFF
 
>Luna wielding loyalty, honesty, and laughter
 
How’s THAT for irony?

The Elements look like rupees.

@Applejack007
 
They do. I’ve always thought that. XD

@Applejack007  
Quarter Hearts just casually walking around with 5 elements of loyalty, 6 elements of laughter, and, I dunno, he went to the alternate timeline where we got an element of inspiration. Turns out it was going to be green, who knew.  

@Background Pony #F78E  
Wait… did they just put in a Link analogue into the show?

@Nightweaver20xx  
They did indeed.

@Nightweaver20xx  
Yep, Flutter Brutter to be exact.

@Nightweaver20xx  
They’ve done quite a few similar things.

@Background Pony #F78E  
It should be noted though that once Celesta used the EoH on Nightmare Moon, her corrupted sister, she lost her connection to the EoH and could not still use them. Why she actually had to find new bearers for the EoH.
 
So it was a failsafe, but a one use only. By using all six EoH it left Celestia unable to use them again.

One of the Breezies can act like Navi.

@Jarkes  

 
Sounds appropriate. Luna got pissed because she thought people didn’t appreciate her (Loyalty), wears her emotions on her sleeve (Honesty), and is more jovial than her sister (Laughter).
 
Of course one can just as easily finagle a reason why the other 3 elements suits her instead so meh.

@Dustcan
 
The irony was more:
 
Betrayed her sister (very unloyal).  
Wasn’t upfront about her feelings until they exploded (not very honest with her sister).  
Got SUPER FUCKING PISSED (not joyous at all).

With all this shadow talk going on, I just want Sombra to return for the finale in one form or another. I loved his warrior-like actions combined with his intelligence, straightforward and direct. He doesn’t talk but he walks the walk.

@Jarkes  
Well, just toss up the “not 100 % their element” spiel and its no harm done.

Various bits of offical lore indicate Luna used to embody her elements a lot better, but the tragedy of her fall is compounded by the fact that by that point she embodied none of them.