Pinkie Pie is Gilda? I fucking knew it!

It’s true, Gilda is an asshole bitch. A sexy asshole bitch.

@Twilatron217  
Society, man. Society.

@Background Pony #715C  
Why would it be “sad” that more people aren’t making excuses for her? At any rate, there have been plenty, I can assure you.

So who is this supposed to be hating on? Because OP’s typing is all over the place.

@thevideonasty  
It is fair to say cutting out people that make life difficult could be a moral, given the strong presence and emphasis placed on Dash’s speech to Gilda at the end of “Brush Off”. I was going by Twilight’s letter to Celestia the end, shortly afterwards, so it’s almost like two morals were present in the episode.

@Revenant Wings  
Didn’t think of the episode that way. Good point. Though I do mostly see the moral as cutting out abusive people from your life.
 
I guess we’ll agree to disagree on that :)

@PonyPon
 
I have to disagree in that Gilda hits more closer to home than Discord. You’re more llkely to come across people like Gilda, I think.
 
Totally get your view point though.

@thevideonasty  

 

 
Not as much as you might think.
 
If you were to take the moral of the episode “Brush Off” at face value, it didn’t even have to do with dropping an old friend. That just sort of happened by proxy of plot. The main moral was controlling one’s own behavior with regards to someone you don’t like. Pinkie didn’t like Rainbow Dash hanging out with Gilda all the time and didn’t like Gilda being mean, but the response wasn’t to be mean in turn but to try and make amends; it revealed Pinkie as being in the right and Gilda as being in the wrong when Gilda responds by losing patience and control and by verbally attacking Pinkie for actions she didn’t do.
 
Following on that, Pinkie actually keeps the characterization gained from “Brush Off” in “Griffonstone”. Instead of remembering Gilda and holding a grudge, she’s still managing to control her own behavior towards Gilda instead of acting defensively or irritably as Dash does. Arguably, Pinkie probably made more headway in the plot in “Griffonstone” simply by still managing her own emotions towards Gilda and still doing what she can to help her out in spite of that.

@TexasUberAlles
 
I’m imagining a horribly off-key version of the 20th Century Fox fanfare that trails off at the end playing with that gif.

@thevideonasty  
Well, how much had Discord changed, really?
 
I’d say Gilda’s original moral would work better on him, but that just shows how cynical I can be.

Honestly I like and dislike that they redeemed Gilda. It gave depth to her character, but it kind of backtracks the moral of Griffon the Brush Off, that sometimes someone you thought was a friend turns out to not be a good person after all and you should cut them out of your life. Which is a moral you rarely see in kids shows.
 
I thought Discord’s redemption already fulfilled the other side of the coin, that some people can change if they have someone to guide them and if they want to put the effort in (which he’d end up doing later on).
 
On the other hand though, my opinion might be kind of null and void, since I’m somewhat of a self-admitted Faust-purist ;D

@Millennial Dan  

 
Missed the second part of what was said.
 
@Background Pony #715C  

 
And posts like the image above seem to suggest otherwise. Sadly outside those accepting her changes (which is plenty), I’ve seen more condemning her than making excuses for her. Even in this section, only two people really are making excuses for Gilda.

@Background Pony #715C  
Yes, she did emulate Dash, that’s literally what I said.
 
And no one thinks she can’t be given another chance. It’s just ridiculous to say she never did anything wrong, as some people are in the habit of doing.

@Background Pony #715C
 
If there were a +1 button I’d use it on this comment.

@Millennial Dan  
She did emulate Dash. Remember Dash was a jerk as well before her friends. She stood up for Fluttershy, only to be the cause of her almost falling to her death. Not to mention being egotistical and brash. We don’t know their background except she went to Camp when Dash did. That Flight Camp may have been the only connection to Ponies she had before her debut episode.
 
@TexasUberAlles  
Keep in mind it is a show to teach kids lessons. Gilda was introduced as a bully. She was meant to teach a lesson about knowing who your true friends are. The Griffin Episode taught there is good in people and need a friend to bring it out. Like the other reformed villains, she’s a lesson that people can change for the better.
 
Gilda is a flawed character. Her past actions shouldn’t be excused, but at the same time she can’t be condemned for them for the rest of her life. She acted like a jerk and is on her way to becoming nicer. Forgive and forget. Love and tolerate.

@TexasUberAlles
 
Absolutely everyone is initially born into “The first birth” (nationality, etc)

@Millennial Dan  
Yeah, “they had a bad childhood” is an explanation of why someone turned out how they did– and is often useful in assigning blame to the guilty after the fact– but it in no way excuses villainy, because seriously, the world is full of people who grew up under hellish conditions and it tempered them into solid blocks of stainless steel morality.

-HERE LIES OP-
 
He tried too hard

@redweasel  
That’s an explanation, not an excuse. EVERYONE has those. They’re what allow all of us to imagine ourselves a victim of circumstance. Every villain, jerk, and loser has some kind of story, but simply having an explanation does not justify bad behavior.
 
For the sake of comparison, I’m a huge fan of Sunset Shimmer. I think she’s one of the most interesting characters in FIM. Now, Sunset had reasons for doing the things she did. She said herself that she didn’t know any other way to live. But does that excuse her? Am I going to try and make up something that would justify her actions, simply because I love her as a character? Heck no. She was totally in the wrong, and she the responsibility for her actions was on her head, and she owned up to that.
 
In Gilda’s case, it does not matter if the place she was born sucks. So, there are a lot of selfish jerks in Griffonstone; so what? She was also raised around many decent ponies whom Gilda could easily have emulated, as she did Rainbow Dash. She has her reasons, but no valid excuses.

@Background Pony #0B1F  
the new episode was the excuse.
 
she roared at fluttershy because she was taught to do that at griffonstone.
 
gilda still a dick, but there is an excuse.

I seriously do think Gilda was thinking she’d lose R.D. as a friend while Pinkie was trying to get attention, given the guitar sounds in that scene.

@myungsoo
 
Well, if your definition of “Badass” is “Uncaring, Unkind and living in a nightmare for she IS the nightmare” then yeah, I agree.

@Background Pony #7E43  
Not to mention mocking people who try to apologize to you, or screaming at them for no reason, or insulting everyone in earshot, or trying to intimidate people all the time. Yeah. That tough girl act is so impressive.

@myungsoo  
Yeah, scaring little old ladies is really badass, all right. Also wrecking someone’s gyrocopter and sending them plummeting to the ground. Really badass.
 
Or assholish, I always get those terms mixed up.