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Yes, I know what it’s referencing.
Die Aryanne’s Face, bitte sehr.
I’ve literally only commented on 2 Aryanne pics in the entirety I’ve been here. Even if you count forum threads that’s like 2 maybe 3 more times I’ve remarked on the subject.
GG, maybe next time I might feel insulted.
Peaceful Antifa members HAHAHAHA!
I find Trashcan’s passive aggressive comments on every image in the pack quite humorous.
Kog must not have gotten his Freeze Peach quarterly newsletter listing you as the internet’s new editor in cheif.
It’s not censorship if I call it a different word. Police shooting rubber bullets at peaceful Antifa members isn’t violating their freedom of speech, it’s merely deplatforming a domestic terrorist group.
Popular speech does not need protecting. Moral outrage was the justification used to oppress countless groups in decades past. Gay rights activists, abolitionists, Vietnam war protestors, the civil rights movement, leftists during McCarthyism. History never looks favorably on tyranny, even tyranny for the supposed greater good.
Look to me you sound like you know a bit of history but you’re living of fear of it happening again (which it wont, it really wont) we should be able to look at horrible shit and laugh hell even make porn out of it. I think living of fear of horrible shit happening again only gives it more power over people while laughing about it helps us to heal
They focus on Nazism as if it’s the crux of the matter. A good few have well-neigh nothing to say about censorship, artistic freedom and the slippery slope of banning topics not sterilized by the iron fist of PC culture.
These are the same incompetents that are posting broken links while using the images in them as evidence that people here are supporting Nazism. Their rubbish arguments really don’t hold any weight.
In >>2421741 (deleted) (this image has been deleted), the site’s logo was being gassed. Even if they gassing another character… doesn’t prove anything. Just a drawing.
In >>2414655, 14 means the 14 words, “we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”. 88 referring to the 8th letter, being H, meaning Heil Hitler. It is a hate symbol, I know. Again, just a drawing.
In >>2392668, some people took the bait hook, line, and sinker. Still, just a drawing.
Repeat after me: It’s. Just. A. Drawing.
So far these people have either failed to understand why that knocks their arguments down, or are pretending to not understand, neither of which say especially good things about them or their opinions.
Their misguided moral crusades are vapid in this day and age, quite frankly. Everyone knows Nazis are bad — this has been discussed ad nauseam.
So how about you get off your computers and do something proactive instead of crying over a cartoon horse with a swastika on her ass?
you summed up the last of us 2 pretty well just there
GUYS DID YOU KNOW, REVENGE BAD!
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You know what’s hillarious? It’s when watchers think the villains are the morally good characters and then the show makers tell you you were watching wrong. You don’t watch wrong. They showed wrong.
at least you get it
Ignoring and not speaking up on behalf of the victims paved the tracks to Auschwitz just as much as the actual planing of this crime did.
There are things that one cannot ignore without becoming an accomplice even if one does not personally participate in a crime. By speaking up against this I did not even call out for the ban of it. Please read what I wrote and you will find that there is not a line in it in which I call out to prohibit it.
What I have called out for was that for people who, like you yourself stated people were aware of:
To say so and actually speak their mind about it. That is acutally quite the opposite of being against freedom of speech. There is no reason to consider protests against nazi hate any less protected by the freedom of speech than statements whose protection by freedom of speech may actually be debatable if they include outright calls for violence against other people.
You say that you are against physical violence and we are on the same side about that. So why are you so eager to support the right of speech in case of calls for violence all the while denying the same right to those who acutally share your view on that matter?
The inflationary use of the term “nazi” can indeed be a problem. Rest assured that I know my history well enough not to use the term lightly because doing so and applying it where it doesn’t fit would be a trivialization same as the depiction of cute ponies in the appearance of those who have murdered millions.
The people who I refered to as an example in my post didn’t just tell a single bad joke. Much rather they have had a long history of statements like that, of singing songs popular in the Third Reich, of promoting hatred against Jews (among other by imitating antisemitic propaganda from the time of the Third Reich), using nazi symbolism and promoting a an extremist political party that trivializes the crimes of the Thrid Reich and that is the party of choice for dieheart neo-nazis.
With all that, if people speak what nazis speak, use the symbols that nazis use, call for the things that nazis are calling for, and promoting the party that nazis promote I would have to be in a state of denial if I refrained from using the term nazi in this case; a term that I have never ever used in my entire life for somebody for merely disagreeing me on any trivial matter. I have seen too much of what the nazis have done and studied history too closely to use that term lightly.
Finally, you were refering to the people who I used as an example and made a number of statement about them without having been there, without knowing any of them, without knowing me and without any background whatsoever.
It is easy to see why this is something quite different from me talking about history. It is true that I did not live in the 1940s. However, the events of these years are extremely well documented. Apart from the huge amounts of source material there are the sites of nazi crimes with the traces they could not wipe out like the millions of people they have murdered. While I have been lucky enough not to experience these times I have talked to many people who have most of whom are no longer with us anymore since obviously they were of advanced age when I talked to them. It is important to keep up the memory and even a glimpse of awareness of what it means when millions and millions of people, men, women and children are murdered. It is important to keep the future from rhyming to that past (it needn’t even be a repetition).
Speaking about that and pointing out why it is not a laughing matter does not violate the freedom of speech for anybody. Nor does it threaten anybody. Nor does it trivialize and it definitely does not hurt the fandom or MLP to show that there are wide parts of our fandom who do not agree with what I have described. I believe not agreeing with that is much more in the spirit of the elements of harmony than the other way round.
If people who are not part of our fandom read about nazis in our fandom and want to check out if indeed our fandom is like that I do hope that some of them will see and read the messages of those of us who actually speak up against nazis in our fandom rather than just the messages of those actively speaking up in favor of their activities, against any protests and all this under the assumption that this was an act on behalf of free speech.
I am absolutely against physical violence of any kind especially when it comes down to politics I agree that any shooting or murder of any kind shouldn’t happen absolutely. But the problem is is that people (Particularly the far left) brand EVERYTHING/EVERYONE they dont agree with as Nazi’s. Can we agree that the term Nazi’s gets used wayyyy to much therefore hurting the actual cases of genuine Neo-nazi activity? So when you come to me saying Nazi’s did this and that to these politicians i should be saying “Wow thats terrible something needs to be done about this” rather than “…were they actually Nazi’s? or just far-right dipshits seeking attention”
If you’re worried that the fandom is being taken over by Nazi’s the worst thing you can do is try to censor it because it gives the Nazi’s more power than it actually has. As for the Nazi’s taking over the fandom i think you’re worrying too much and in actual fact getting worked up about it only encourages people to make more nazi themed posts to get a reaction from you so in other words….just ignore it
also saying “With all due respect with you having not been there while I have” doesn’t make your argument anymore valid than mine because im pretty sure you weren’t around Germany in the 1940 during the Nazi occupation. Im guessing thats not what you mean but thats what i got from it.
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Look at all those words…
With all due respect with you having not been there while I have you seem to know a lot more than I do without any doubt in you being right.
It was but one case in a long line of similar acts by these people. I live in Germany, have studied history, I have talked to a number of people who have actually lived and experienced these times including my grandparents (who did not themselves belong to one of the groups persecuted by the nazi regime).
It is far from my mind to ruin a francise. I love MLP and I love the bronyfandom. But because of my love for the show and the fandom I cannot ignore how both of it is being turned into something awful, not by me or by anyone else who tries to protect the fandom, but by those who try to ram their love for fashism, antisemitism and racism down everybody’s throat. They are the ones imposing politics upon everyone rather than the ones who protest against it.
You say that it was pretty universaly known that Nazi’s are fucking horible? Why then would it be funny to call for murders? Why is it that people so readily jump to the defense of such actions but will not give a thought to the victims of their attacks?
You say people like me seem to think Nazism is still alive and well.
Within the last few years my country has seen a steady increase of crimes committed by nazis, with the large scale murders in Hanau, Halle and Munich are onl the most publicised ones. Elected politicians have been murdered or gravely injured by murder attempts comitted by nazis over here and other have been intimidated into resignation by death threats against them and their family. This is a direct attack on a democracy that has cost too much to establish to just shrug it off.
So even if you consider the murder of millions within a time frame so that a few still live who have seen it with their own eyes (we are not talking about ancient history here) the examples I gave (and I could give a lot more) are very good reasons why I do not want to keep silent when a franchise and a fandom that I love wholeheartedly is being turned into a stage for those who applaud and ridicule murder.
I sincerely think you are speaking in the wrong direction with your accusations of ruining the franchise. The show we love leaves no doubt about it’s stand on racism.
It is not nazis or people who are excusing them as some kind of comedians who are standing up on behalf of the franchise and the fandom.
He made it a two front, which was stupid of him, but who was the puppeteer?
That’s my question.
The reason they say “Gas the jews” in a public space means that they know that what the Nazi’s did was fucking horrible thats why they say it. Just because i stand up for free speech does not mean i agree with what is being said. I’m all good for their being social consequences for saying horrible shit but am completely against there being LEGAL consequences for the horrible shit people say.
people don’t discuss much about how Nazi’s are horrible because its pretty universaly known that Nazi’s are fucking horrible hence why people make jokes like “Gas the jews”. also you’re not the arbiter of whats funny and whats not as for me count dankula’s “M8 yer dugs a nazi” was a cute funny video.
The reason so many people bring up free speech when the Nazi’s are brought up is because people like you want to make it a bigger problem than it actually is and brand anything they dont like as Nazism and the word Nazi has been so diluted at this point that if you call someone an Nazi in 2020 its met with huge speculation because dumbasses who can’t stand to have their arguments challenged use it as a way to discredit their politcal rivals.
And to finish off i doubt that the fucking KKK/Neo Nazi’s feel great that their movement and beliefs are being represent through MLP or an adorable little pug. There isn’t a major problem with Nazism in MLP 99% of the people who see this stuff are able to see it as a joke or an edgy comment and move on but not people like you who seem to think Nazism is still alive and well and can be seen in every country in the world.
Stop trying to ruin franchises and ideas by claiming that there is a larger issue to things when there clearly isn’t.
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Wasn’t he a puppet only in later part of the war, when his “doctors” were giving him experimental therapies?
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Nazis activities are made to violate all three of those for those they hate. Tolerating such actions and trivialisations of genocide is not an act of tolerance but of an indifference that is
Many may just be annoyed by the politization of my little pony and just want to be left alone with that. I can relate to that. However it is not those who protest but those who turn my little pony into outrageous propaganda on behalf of fashism who are forcing others to protest (because ignoring and trivilizing has done a lot to pave the way for nazis over here in the 1930s) and thereby enforcing politics you don’t want to hear about upon you.