they’re still shown to be quite cold, militant, & cruel
humans have a long history of demonizing the stuff they’re fighting against, whether it’s the weather, wolves, or other humans. so the drej being shown as cold, militant and cruel was symbolic of how humans have portrayed their enemies in reality, whether those enemies were monsters or not. I bet we’d have sympathized with the drej if they were shown to have families and humanlike expressions of fear.
The humans didn’t even seem aware the Titan could be used against the Drej
considering a junk mechanic and a bounty hunter figured they out how to make the titan eat drej for power, I think the ones who designed it would have had to be aware of that little feature.
“humans are the real monster”
hey, the drej were monsters, too. it’s not like the drej tried very hard to make other aliens not want to annihilate them. how many innocent casulties came from destroying the earth? and they couldn’t even hit the superweapon. the planet’s destruction was a spiteful fuck you from some aliens very upset that they failed to destroy the one thing spelling their doom.
I think one of the points of the film was you don’t have to be a monster to do monstrous things. it was trying to tell us that good intentions don’t keep you safe from doing horrible things. humans weren’t monsters, and yet the only characters in the film who committed murder were human, I’m pretty sure. they may not have tried to hurt anyone, but humans ended up becoming the greatest existential threat the drej had ever faced.
@redweasel
The humans seemed to of gotten along with other alien species (some alien races were shown living on earth, and fleeing it) so I think you’re kinda letting that “humans are the real monster” common cliché sci-fi trope influence your opinions, and viewpoints too much.
The humans didn’t even seem aware the Titan could be used against the Drej or other species/planets, nor was it implied it could be, (the movie simply shows it just || makes planets from space mineral/rock/icey debris, so it doesn’t even really harm anything|| and it was intended for peaceful purposes perhaps to benefit other planets/species, as well.
Still, considering the girl stated the Drej were possibly “afraid of what they (humans) might become” you might be a li’l right about their paranoia, but I don’t think that justifies/sympathizes the Drej, as they’re still shown to be quite cold, militant, & cruel to other alien species, and such.
yeah it’s disturbing, but we admittedly hear very little on how the humans were acting before the destruction of their planet. all we hear is from the perspective of the humans, and is very sympathetic to them. if the drej could have destroyed the planet, why didn’t they do so way before the titan was constructed? I assume humans were gonna use the titan to terraform other planets, to spread humanity’s dominion, but were they going to care if anything was living on those planets beforehand? especially when those living things had been locked in bitter conflict with the humans for who knows how long?
a pre-emptive strike, after humans have constructed their own planet killing weapon and gotten it operational is… a lot more justified than just blowing a planet up because you hate freedom.
@redweasel
I don’t know I still don’t quite see it that way, plus that logic is kinda disturbing, as it’s kinda like justifying a pre-emptive nuclear strike on another country.
@redweasel
You might be thinking of another movie, because there was never any implication that humans were making a genocidal WMD, or intending to use anything against the Dregg aliens. It was implied the reason the Dregg blew up earth was because they feared humans were getting too technologically advanced, and didn’t like their Titan invention. A device of creation, not destruction. It was never intended to be used against them, until they tried to destroy it.
The Dregg seemed to be more of a warlike alien race, and not really that relatable, at all to me.
the abominations only destroyed the earth once humans had almost completed a galactic superweapon of genocide against them. then they didn’t destroy the defenseless fleeing colony ships, or hunt down the survivors. an act of mercy which ultimately caused that alien race to be annihilated. though their lack of concern for innocent casulties was horrifying and unforgivable, pretty much every action they took was in self defense.
and yeah, I even got a kick out of bartok, the magnificent, so anastasia was pretty good. here’s to hoping he completes that movie, though admittedly I’m leery of every attempt his studio has made at cheesy comedy.
@redweasel
“Anastatia” wasn’t that bad. “Titan A.E.” came out after, and was Bluth’s last movie. Though, a “Dragon’s Lair” movie is apparently in the works. Sense Bluth is quite old now, I hope he can finish it.
Not sure I see how genocidal, trigger-happy, eldritch-abomination aliens are sympathetic… Buuut ok.
yeah, the movie had some good things about it. I didn’t know bluth had nothing to do with it!
titan a.e. was okay I suppose. seemed a little annoyingly bro-comedy with a bunch of raucous mismatched characters somehow saving the world. plus I kind of sympathized with the aliens who blew up the planet earth. pretty gorgeous though, and that one badass alien space chick had these huge legs. ♥
titan a.e. came before anastasia?
I know tumbleweeds exist in america, just they were as far as I know an introduced species. was trying to show how it’s silly to invest a lot in territorial stuff like “tumbleweeds = texas”
@redweasel
I suppose you have a point, but regardless of it’s corny western romanticization, and such, it had some good things about it. (Like John Cleese makes a good hammy villain.) The animation/art wasn’t bad either, even though it lacked Don Bluth’s style.
As being part American-Indian, I did kinda think the Indian mice were a bit much. (But I wasn’t really offended by them.)
Don Bluth had nothing to do with that movie, (He even stated he hated the sequels to his movies, which he had nothing to do with) and I don’t think his solo works were that bad. (I even kinda liked “Rock-a-Doodle” despite it’s weirdness.) Sure a few of his ‘90s movies were mediocre, or even bad, and more Disneyfied, (and not in a good way) but that wasn’t his fault, and because of executive meddling.
In fact, Bluth hated how “A Troll in Central Park” turned out, and hated “Pebble and the Penguin” so much, he had his name removed from it.
Watch “Titan A.E.” his last movie, it’s really good, and shows what kinda movies he’s capable of without all the executive meddling, and such.
(It even has a moment making fun of the “annoying/goofy non-human” sidekick trope in animation. I guess Bluth must’ve gotten sick of those.)
Also, you’re wrong in your assertion that tumbleweeds don’t exist in America, I live in Texas, (no we’re not all cowboys) I’ve seen plenty of them before. I’ve even seen some in California, and other places too. Not to mention, they don’t exclusively come from one type of plant in Russia, but many different kinds in several countries.
IMO don bluth got just horrible when stephen spielberg left the team. but fievel goes west was such stereotypical western romanticizing, I just couldn’t stop groaning. because of course they all wear cowboy hats, and of course there are gun standoffs, and of course there are saucy barmaids, and of course everything’s brown, dusty and dry, and of course there are tumbleweeds which are invasive russian plants that have nothing to do with the continental USA.
it was kind of like over a barrel if the plot were for the mane six to dig up their roots and settle down in appleoosa for no explicable reason, whereupon they picked up guns and started arguing at the saloon about who the town’s big enough for, while the evil bad guy plots to steal the rights to their land.
humans have a long history of demonizing the stuff they’re fighting against, whether it’s the weather, wolves, or other humans. so the drej being shown as cold, militant and cruel was symbolic of how humans have portrayed their enemies in reality, whether those enemies were monsters or not. I bet we’d have sympathized with the drej if they were shown to have families and humanlike expressions of fear.
considering a junk mechanic and a bounty hunter figured they out how to make the titan eat drej for power, I think the ones who designed it would have had to be aware of that little feature.
hey, the drej were monsters, too. it’s not like the drej tried very hard to make other aliens not want to annihilate them. how many innocent casulties came from destroying the earth? and they couldn’t even hit the superweapon. the planet’s destruction was a spiteful fuck you from some aliens very upset that they failed to destroy the one thing spelling their doom.
I think one of the points of the film was you don’t have to be a monster to do monstrous things. it was trying to tell us that good intentions don’t keep you safe from doing horrible things. humans weren’t monsters, and yet the only characters in the film who committed murder were human, I’m pretty sure. they may not have tried to hurt anyone, but humans ended up becoming the greatest existential threat the drej had ever faced.
The humans seemed to of gotten along with other alien species (some alien races were shown living on earth, and fleeing it) so I think you’re kinda letting that “humans are the real monster” common cliché sci-fi trope influence your opinions, and viewpoints too much.
The humans didn’t even seem aware the Titan could be used against the Drej or other species/planets, nor was it implied it could be, (the movie simply shows it just || makes planets from space mineral/rock/icey debris, so it doesn’t even really harm anything|| and it was intended for peaceful purposes perhaps to benefit other planets/species, as well.
Still, considering the girl stated the Drej were possibly “afraid of what they (humans) might become” you might be a li’l right about their paranoia, but I don’t think that justifies/sympathizes the Drej, as they’re still shown to be quite cold, militant, & cruel to other alien species, and such.
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yeah it’s disturbing, but we admittedly hear very little on how the humans were acting before the destruction of their planet. all we hear is from the perspective of the humans, and is very sympathetic to them. if the drej could have destroyed the planet, why didn’t they do so way before the titan was constructed? I assume humans were gonna use the titan to terraform other planets, to spread humanity’s dominion, but were they going to care if anything was living on those planets beforehand? especially when those living things had been locked in bitter conflict with the humans for who knows how long?
a pre-emptive strike, after humans have constructed their own planet killing weapon and gotten it operational is… a lot more justified than just blowing a planet up because you hate freedom.
I don’t know I still don’t quite see it that way, plus that logic is kinda disturbing, as it’s kinda like justifying a pre-emptive nuclear strike on another country.
< ( hey, those monkey organics are designing a device capable of annihilating our entire species, isn’t that swell? )
( aren’t you worried they’ll use it to annihilate our entire species? ) >
< ( nah, they said they totally weren’t gonna do it. )
You might be thinking of another movie, because there was never any implication that humans were making a genocidal WMD, or intending to use anything against the Dregg aliens. It was implied the reason the Dregg blew up earth was because they feared humans were getting too technologically advanced, and didn’t like their Titan invention. A device of creation, not destruction. It was never intended to be used against them, until they tried to destroy it.
The Dregg seemed to be more of a warlike alien race, and not really that relatable, at all to me.
the abominations only destroyed the earth once humans had almost completed a galactic superweapon of genocide against them. then they didn’t destroy the defenseless fleeing colony ships, or hunt down the survivors. an act of mercy which ultimately caused that alien race to be annihilated. though their lack of concern for innocent casulties was horrifying and unforgivable, pretty much every action they took was in self defense.
and yeah, I even got a kick out of bartok, the magnificent, so anastasia was pretty good. here’s to hoping he completes that movie, though admittedly I’m leery of every attempt his studio has made at cheesy comedy.
I don’t think I’ve heard much about that dragon’s lair movie in sometime.
The last I will sort of it was his ruby pitch
“Anastatia” wasn’t that bad. “Titan A.E.” came out after, and was Bluth’s last movie. Though, a “Dragon’s Lair” movie is apparently in the works. Sense Bluth is quite old now, I hope he can finish it.
Not sure I see how genocidal, trigger-happy, eldritch-abomination aliens are sympathetic… Buuut ok.
yeah, the movie had some good things about it. I didn’t know bluth had nothing to do with it!
titan a.e. was okay I suppose. seemed a little annoyingly bro-comedy with a bunch of raucous mismatched characters somehow saving the world. plus I kind of sympathized with the aliens who blew up the planet earth. pretty gorgeous though, and that one badass alien space chick had these huge legs. ♥
titan a.e. came before anastasia?
I know tumbleweeds exist in america, just they were as far as I know an introduced species. was trying to show how it’s silly to invest a lot in territorial stuff like “tumbleweeds = texas”
I suppose you have a point, but regardless of it’s corny western romanticization, and such, it had some good things about it. (Like John Cleese makes a good hammy villain.) The animation/art wasn’t bad either, even though it lacked Don Bluth’s style.
As being part American-Indian, I did kinda think the Indian mice were a bit much. (But I wasn’t really offended by them.)
Don Bluth had nothing to do with that movie, (He even stated he hated the sequels to his movies, which he had nothing to do with) and I don’t think his solo works were that bad. (I even kinda liked “Rock-a-Doodle” despite it’s weirdness.) Sure a few of his ‘90s movies were mediocre, or even bad, and more Disneyfied, (and not in a good way) but that wasn’t his fault, and because of executive meddling.
In fact, Bluth hated how “A Troll in Central Park” turned out, and hated “Pebble and the Penguin” so much, he had his name removed from it.
Watch “Titan A.E.” his last movie, it’s really good, and shows what kinda movies he’s capable of without all the executive meddling, and such.
(It even has a moment making fun of the “annoying/goofy non-human” sidekick trope in animation. I guess Bluth must’ve gotten sick of those.)
Also, you’re wrong in your assertion that tumbleweeds don’t exist in America, I live in Texas, (no we’re not all cowboys) I’ve seen plenty of them before. I’ve even seen some in California, and other places too. Not to mention, they don’t exclusively come from one type of plant in Russia, but many different kinds in several countries.
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IMO don bluth got just horrible when stephen spielberg left the team. but fievel goes west was such stereotypical western romanticizing, I just couldn’t stop groaning. because of course they all wear cowboy hats, and of course there are gun standoffs, and of course there are saucy barmaids, and of course everything’s brown, dusty and dry, and of course there are tumbleweeds which are invasive russian plants that have nothing to do with the continental USA.
it was kind of like over a barrel if the plot were for the mane six to dig up their roots and settle down in appleoosa for no explicable reason, whereupon they picked up guns and started arguing at the saloon about who the town’s big enough for, while the evil bad guy plots to steal the rights to their land.
@redweasel
Really? I liked that movie, but admittedly it wasn’t as good as the first Don Bluth “An American Tail” movie.
>>1756167t (deleted)
so cute, and pretty! and I hate that movie and I love it!