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LanceOmikron
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@Background Pony #CD79  
I’m not saying that was a good thing. It wasn’t. That was absolutely a problem.
 
But if the Mane Cast being made useless in order to make other characters look good is a problem, then Friendship Games was guilty of it just as much. And in a worse way too, IMO. At least in Mirror Magic, the HuMane Five were legitimately taken by surprise all at once by Juniper’s mirror. Sci-Twi’s magic-draining device drained each of the girls individually for a total of five separate times, took way longer to happen, and yet none of the HuMane Five realized what was happening until way later.
LanceOmikron
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@Angrybrony  
I’m really not sure what would even warrant calling Mirror Magic worse than FG. Juniper turned into an unimpressive monster of the week, and Starlight solved the problem on her own without Sunset? If those are the only two, then it simply can’t compare to FG’s litany of problems.
LanceOmikron
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@Background Pony #EA08  
Mirror Magic was simply disappointing. It wasn’t great, but there wasn’t anything horribly wrong with it either. Meanwhile Friendship Games felt like it did everything it could to insult the audience’s intelligence.
LanceOmikron
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@DiscipleOfAndrewRyan  
While we may have to agree to disagree about Sunset and Rainbow Rocks, I wholeheartedly encourage you to tear Friendship Games to shreds at every opportunity. That movie is the most awful thing to ever be associated with Gen4 MLP.
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@DiscipleOfAndrewRyan  
Why did you even watch enough of it to know who she is? If it’s so “damaging”, why not just leave it alone?
 
But people in this thread have been claiming an entire spin-off should unilaterally be declared non-canon based on a minor detail they claim is a giant plot hole which they then reject any theories that could address it and any possible way they might be able to ignore it like they would for countless other plot holes, but nope. And certainly just ignoring it and letting the people who enjoy it have it is out of the question.
 
I could probably come up with equally ridiculous reasons to claim whatever I please isn’t canon (and already have for season 8, as shown), but if that wouldn’t make my proclamations valid, why should it do so for someone else (other than “because I’m right and you’re wrong”.)?
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@LanceOmikron  
Yes, but her citizens don’t know that. Having something so big and blatant in plain sight might damage their confidence in her, especially once centuries have passed and the truth of Nightmare Moon has become an ancient legend few are even aware of (the way things were at the start of the first episode.) Without the faith of her ponies, Celestia’s ability to govern, and especially to govern by influence rather than force, would be vastly diminished if not outright crippled.
 
Maybe she could have kept it somewhere more private, but I’d have to check the throne room screencaps and see if they look like they can be moved.
 
But for now, I think I’ve led us WAY off topic and should drop it.
 
@DiscipleOfAndrewRyan  
Edit button doesn’t give me nearly long enough to respond to this giant wall of text.
 
But wow, for someone with a Wallflower Blush avatar, you sure do seem to hate Equestria Girls.
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@DiscipleOfAndrewRyan
If you’re arguing about what should and shouldn’t be canon, please don’t use the comics to justify yourself. Whether they’re canon or not is a contentious enough issue on its own, and no good can come from having to deal with that while already in the middle of another debate.
but here’s the problem: Sunset doesn’t have much if a backstory in the movie. the closest she has to having one is in the comics. take that away and she loses her agency for good!
 
@DiscipleOfAndrewRyan
Why does this mean everything has to burn, though? It seems to me that the first movie is the only place anyone’s finding problems. If you treat EqG1 as ““Yeah, it was KINDA like that….[](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BroadStrokes) rather than “that’s exactly what happened”, things get way cleaner.
sorry, Scrounge, but I don’t swing that way. when I watch a TV series or a film, I see the story as it is presented to me, not as how I wanna see it. otherwise, it’d be a huge fucking headache for me. in fact, it only gets messier that way, not cleaner.
 
and I have just as many freakin’ problems with EqG 2 and 3 as I do with 1, if not more. everything is worse because of those two movies, especially Sunset’s development! nothing is gradual in that world – everything happens abruptly and out of the blue!
 
But if we MUST cut things off from continuity, can we start with The Movie?
no, you cannot. you’d be severing the bridge between Seasons 7 and 8 if you did, and any mention of the 2017 My Little Pony movie in Friendship Is Magic wouldn’t hold up too well if it’s cut out from continuity.
 
@Ihhh  
@Scrounge
Well too bad. The first scene of the season premiere directly follows the events of the movie, so your own personal opinion of it does not matter at all.
THIS.
 
@Scrounge  
I just realized something about the Sunset “plot hole”. EqG 1 was released between season 3 and season 4. The episodes that gave us details about the history of the Elements were the S4 premiere and the S7 finale. When EqG 1 was released, there really wasn’t anything to contradict, and any thing later contradicts it rather than vice-versa.
now that’s just fucking stupid! you can’t just cut out the rest of Friendship Is Magic just becuase Equestria Girls came out first! if EqG is the base of Generation 4’s continuity rather than FIM, you’re going against the lore AND turning it on its head; you are not being faithful to the officially established lore, buddy! >:V
 
and did you forget? EqG has virtually no connection to FIM, so if the latter contradicts the former, there is no point in carrying the show on any further.
 
@Ihhh
That’s actually kind of my point. If it’s fair to throw the entirety of EqG out just because you don’t like it, why wouldn’t it be just as fair for other things? Conversely, and more importantly, if I can’t just pick and choose, maybe I’m not the only one that rule should apply to.
it isn’t, becuase The Movie expands upon the lore rather than going against it as Equestria Girls does.
 
But you asked why I’d want to get rid of it. So I told you. If you want a cheap excuse for why it “doesn’t fit”, Canterlot, particularly the castle, looks nothing like it did on the show, and they can’t possibly have renovated it that fast. See how easy it is to give a minor detail too much attention?
so?? that’s nothing compared to one of the worst retcons in entertainment history–Sunset Shimmer’s heel-face turn! I’ll take a metropolitan makeover over a mind-rape for the greater good any day of the week… and twice on Monday!
 
@LanceOmikron  
@Scrounge
Personally I find outright retcons to be far more preferable than story-breaking plot holes that go completely unexplained.
the best way to retcon is to revise the work in question itself.
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@Scrounge  
Well hey, even in indisputable canon she’s been able to perform her duties over the 1k years despite having constant reminders of her Sister’s fall. She mentioned to Twilight that she disliked the Summer Sun Celebration due to the ponies hailing it as a celebration of the defeat of Nightmare Moon, whereas to her it was just a reminder of that fateful night when she had to banish Luna. And then there’s the moon itself, which she raised every night and which bore the Mare in the Moon.
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@LanceOmikron  
Exactly, but if it comes at the expense of being able to perform her duty, she might decide she can’t risk letting that reminder become her new greatest failure.
Scrounge
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@Scrounge  
…Yeah, I don’t even know how I feel about the throne room thing any more. In my defense, it’s a symbolism thing and not a continuity one. Sitting next to Luna’s empty throne for centuries would be a powerful gesture of self-admonishment, but it’d also probably weird out the courtiers and might even paint Celestia as whatever the heroic equivalent to Caligula is. (As a side note, if you had trouble wrapping your brain around the phrase “heroic equivalent of Caligula,” you’re not alone.)