Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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“I’m going to stop calling you a white man. And I’m going to ask you to stop calling me a black man.”
 
  • Morgan Freeman
     
    But oh wait, that’s right, not seeing color and seeing everyone as human beings is racist.
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@LeoNero  
As a frenchman I gotta say that no year has beaten 2015 in terms of shittyness so far.
 
@LeoNero  
Morgan Freeman really put it best, yes. This is a sentiment I wholeheartedly agree with, and it always saddens me when one extreme or the other can’t see how insisting on skin color as a measurement of worth is a goddamn idiotic proposition. In this matter I condemn both the far right and the far left (the american one at least) for their focus on race.
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That may be true… for politics, this year is more intense, intense tension with North Korea, deadly terror attacks, deadly mass shootings, the seventh worst hurricane season, and deadly California wildfires.
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It’s bullshit how a lot of conservatives think that the reason a lot of celebrities, musicians, and people in general artistic/creative sort of industries tend to be mostly liberals or progressives is because of some grand conspiracy to promote “cultural marxism”.
 
It’s actually more so because progressive thinking tends to promote creative thinking, while conservatism historically has been the side that tends to look down and condescend at artistic types. There are exceptions to this of course, and there certainly are people within creative industries that are conservative, but that’s the reason you get more progressive leaning people in creative industries.
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@Hypnosryan  
No lately they haven’t.
 
It’s been “Think what we do, or you’re a bigot.”
 
And don’t get me started on the nauseating virtue signaling they’ve been doing. It shows how little they actually care about the “Little people” as they just want to show how “progressive” they are. There’s a reason the term ‘Smug liberal’ has become so popular.
 
Look at A-holes like Michael Moore that made millions extorting labor workers and how bad “Muh corporations” are, and when a republican candidate comes along saying “Hey, I’m gonna try and help you out.” he starts screaming about how evil he is and backs the corporate candidate.
 
Most do it for money, many do it so keep relevant.
 
Then there’s when they don’t tow the line. Look at how Tim Allen says he’s conservative, but also skirts around it, saying “you can get beat up” because of the political bias in Hollywood, witch looking at it I’m inclined to believe. They have to or they wont get work, or worse.  
The only one I’ve ever seen be outspoken in Hollywood about being conservative is Clint Eastwood is because he’s pretty much untouchable, they can’t screw with him.
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Look at A-holes like Michael Moore that made millions extorting labor workers and how bad “Muh corporations” are, and when a republican candidate comes along saying “Hey, I’m gonna try and help you out.” he starts screaming about how evil he is and backs the corporate candidate.
If you’re talking about Trump, you might want to remember that talk is about as far as that ever went. Donald has never done anything to help out labor workers or low salary types, and the tax scam bill he helped push through pretty much exemplifies that. For all his lies about how it was going to hurt him and how it was going to be so great for the people (neither of which are true in even the slightest sense), it’s really just a much more blatant example of what Republican politics has devolved into over the past few decades… giving money to the rich while claiming to be helping the poor.
 
And honestly, I have never liked Moore. I still don’t. But he was not wrong here, and if you honestly think Hillary would have been more corporation friendly than Donald “permanent tax break for the 1%” Trump has been… I’m sorry, but that’s too ridiculous to even entertain as a passing thought.
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@LeoNero  
The problem is that this ignores Rhee problem altogether
 
Racism isn’t an individual problem, it’s an social one
 
This mentality won’t stop gentrification, police shootings, disproportionate standards of living, discrimination, abuse etc
 
@HJSDGCE  
No  
I said you would be stuffed in an oil barrel in the middle of Sarawak
 
At least in Singapore the worst thing that can happen is I get exiled after I get sued by the government on bullshit charges
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How is it a “scam” when everyone pays lower taxes?
 
It seems like any time someone talks about it, they either try to fling it as a problem in the distant future with no real insight, or people just bitching about rich people not having being forced to give 100% back  
It’s just always the Evil 1% as coined by certainly not a 1er himself.  
“Da 1
! Da 1% Oh, don’t mind my mansions! I’m a hard woyking American! I didn’t couch surf until my 40’s! 1%! Da 1%!”
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Trickle down economics have never worked
 
Plus it barely affects the lower classes
 
The tax reform mainly targets the rich, who got much bigger cuts of the pie
 
Plus less government taxes meaning less stuff being spent on welfare and healthcare which will lead to worse standards of living for welfare recipients  
But they are just lazy, right ? Which is why most of them actually have jobs and desperately want to get out of welfare
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@Cyborg_pony  
Middle and lower classes might pay slightly lower taxes for a short time under this new policy, but the big winners are the uppermost income tiers, and the loss of revenue will almost inevitably lead to Republicans wanting to cut Social Security and Medicaid to compensate. Republican politicians (and I might even say most self-professed conservative public figures) are fundamentally untrustworthy when it comes to anything having to do with economics. It’s always about “limited government” and being “efficient”, which is just code for cutting social programs and pulling the rug out from under infrastructure.
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Middle and lower classes might pay slightly lower taxes for a short time under this new policy, but the big winners are the uppermost income tiers, and the loss of revenue will almost inevitably lead to Republicans wanting to cut Social Security and Medicaid to compensate. Republican politicians (and I might even say most self-professed conservative public figures) are fundamentally untrustworthy when it comes to anything having to do with economics. It’s always about “limited government” and being “efficient”, which is just code for cutting social programs and pulling the rug out from under infrastructure.
 
Fun-fact: Paul Ryan wants to target medicare and Social Security next year. Mitch McConnell wants to avoid entitlements all together and move onto immigration and infrastructure for 2018.
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McConnell may have more sense. But on the other hand it could be argued that with government income slashed they may be forced to cut into those programs sooner or later and the budget deficit will start to boom as a result of the tax plan. Or it taking effect for the 2018 fiscal year means he knows he can put it off.
 
Either way, cuts to government spending are likely in the future one way or another and it won’t be the army’s bloated budget that’ll get hit. McConnell is just hoping that he can coast the Republican Party into the 2018 elections and their thin majority in the senate can be maintained.
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Just smart enough to back off before they shoot themselves in the foot, the tax bill could well cost them seats, pissing on programs that poll in the upper 70% range minimum especially when your voters are the most dependent on them could spell a big problem, if a few more idealistic dems make it in and combined with the establishment ones have a unvetoable majority, they could force through some big wins which could undo all the work the tax bill did and maybe finally hasten the republican’s decline, or worse someone could introduce the Amendment to ban money from politics and make it a major issue forcing everyone to either vote for it or admit they are corrupt,
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Just smart enough to back off before they shoot themselves in the foot, the tax bill could well cost them seats, pissing on programs that poll in the upper 70% range minimum especially when your voters are the most dependent on them could spell a big problem, if a few more idealistic dems make it in and combined with the establishment ones have a unvetoable majority, they could force through some big wins which could undo all the work the tax bill did and maybe finally hasten the republican’s decline, or worse someone could introduce the Amendment to ban money from politics and make it a major issue forcing everyone to either vote for it or admit they are corrupt,
 
Seeing as how we’re moving onto the 2018 elections I’m going to point out that a majority of the seats up for grabs are in Democrat territory.
 
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It wouldn’t surprise me honestly if anything changes. I would keep my money on Texas to not elect anyone but Republicans, and the Mormons - forming the largest voting block in Utah - consistently elect conservatives. Much of the Great Plains states up on offering too are themselves Republican strongholds in the minor sense and I don’t see them changing much.
 
Given Roy Moore’s defeat in Alabama though I can imagine the Dems trying to see how far they can ride Jones’ wave to see if they can take another seat post-special election. I don’t know much about Tennessee.
 
Given the entire House of Representatives though is up for re-election the best chance for some shocking redistribution of power in the legislature will likely end up there.
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If I heard right, what tax cuts the bill gives to the Working Class has an expiration date. The corporation tax cuts don’t.
 
Yeah.
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How is it a “scam” when everyone pays lower taxes?
Because the wealthiest will get hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars more back, while the low earners, who we’ve been repeatedly told this bill is for, will see amounts in the tens more (maybe). Because the tax break for the wealthy and corporations is a permanent one, the ones for the lowest expires in a few years. Because when it expires for the lowest earners, their taxes will jump higher than they are currently, while the rich, will continue making money at the expense of those who suddenly have to pay more in. Because the deep tax cuts add trillions to the deficit that will come down hardest on the children of the lower wage earners. Because the huge deficit will mean cutting government programs primarily used by, you guessed it, the poor. because the entire plan is based around trickle down economics (that have been demonstrably shown time and again not to work), continued levels of economic growth (that a number of experts believe is entirely unsustainable), and the belief that tax cuts create jobs and encourage hiring (which, shockingly, they don’t). Because it’s so obviously a gift to the wealthy that Sarah Huckabee Sanders is not even denying it will greatly benefit Trump anymore.
 
 
@AaronMk  
Given the entire House of Representatives though is up for re-election the best chance for some shocking redistribution of power in the legislature will likely end up there.
Maybe. Honestly I think the odds of the Democrats taking either the house or the senate are a bit bleak. But, stranger things have happened.
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I always wondered about that. How come tax breaks for the lower income percentage aren’t permanent, while those who can afford to pay it are? It doesn’t make much sense, plus it’s economically disadvantageous for the whole country overall.
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Because rich people give donations aka legalized bribes to the politicians, it’s why we need a constitutional amendment making all federal elections publicly funded and banning privet interests from buying political adds,
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Honestly the fact that the bill includes cutting taxes on private jets specifically of all things is rather telling who’s it really for.
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