The Frowning Pony
Administrator
13 blinks per minute
The bullet points:
- New
ai generatedimages will no longer be allowed on the site- That is, images created by AI with little or no human involvement, will be banned
- This limit will be put into effect [December 14 2024]
- ‘ai content’ images (which includes
ai generated) have already been copied to tantabus.ai ai generatedimages will start being removed after [January 6 2025]
- A new tag,
ai composition, has been created for images using AI that are allowed- These are images where AI was used to create significant parts of the image, along with significant edits and direction from a human
- There will be a significant quality expectation placed on images of this nature
- Currently, upload of these images will be limited by user to one per 24 hour period
- Currently, the site’s default filters and “trending” query will hide these images
- Check the full tag description, our FAQ, and this page
- For other AI related content:
ai assisted- where minor elements were created with AI, such as background or detail itemai interpretation- images fully redrawn by an artist based on something ai generatedai reference- additional tag for the above where the ai generated image is included in the imageai voice- where ai generated voice is used for animations or comics
- tantabus.ai has been set up for those interested in MLP related ai imagery
- Like e621 and e6ai, this is a separate site, with separate databases, rules, funding, etc.; a couple of initial staff exist on both, much like with Furbooru.
AI Composition
Basic concept
While images generated fully by an AI, or with very little editing, will be banned, we will still allow images that were made using AI. These fall under the same rationale as photobashing, where an artist uses pieces of existing photos to create new art, or basic 3D and “paperdoll” applications, where an artist uses premade models and props to create a new scene.
That is, we will allow a category of images where AI was used as a creative tool by a human. Examples:
- A fleshed out sketch (ie. not a stick figure) used as a base, with AI used to clean and add details
- Extensive inpainting and manual editing beyond simple fix correction, where the result varies significantly from any simple generated image
- Using multiple AI generated images stitched together and properly edited to fit and create a new image
- “Photobashing”, but using AI to create the pieces rather than raiding pinterest or artstation
- Note that this does not mean simply creating comics/sequences; each “panel” should be its own composition
Quality
Images under this category will not be allowed to have any “AI issues”, as the expectation is for there to be extensive review and editing by their creator. AI and modern free image editing tools, such as Krita or Photopea, make fixing these sort of issues much easier than in years past, so we do not see a valid excuse for letting them pass.
Please see [this page] for a list of example issues staff will use as criteria. Some staff on our discord server will be happy to assist with explanations or spotting issues. Please realize we care about the whole image, not just what the viewer’s eyes may be immediately drawn to…
We may delete images we suspect were simply generated; if you would want to contest such a deletion, we ask that you have proof ready that the image was actually an
ai composition. Having an existing history of showing your work process or including WiP and speedpaints in descriptions will help everyone (staff, you, and people curious and wanting to learn).Limits
The daily upload limit and default filtering may be modified or lifted in the future. The current limitations are in place as we expect some users will attempt to continue uploading
ai generated images under the new tag.As well, given the principle of these images is that they’ve had significant human involvement in their creation, we expect their creators to take at least “a day” working on them, and a strict limit for now may push some to further review and edit their images to ensure higher quality.
Tantabus
As stated at the top, tantabus.ai is a separate site for ai related images (generated, composition, reference). The short of it is it’s the pony version of e6ai, an e621 offshoot focused on AI images.
The database is completely separate, as is the infrastructure and funding. Some staff here will also be present there, but eventually the staff list should include members of its own community. It will be operated as a place for people that like creating and viewing ai images, even if they’re purely generated, and want to retain a focus on MLP related content only (plus similar tagging and UX as derpi).
Please limit any discussion to questions about precise policy points or requests for clarification. This thread is not to be used for general talk about AI, neither technical or ethical. Posts attempting to derail from discussion of the content policy will likely be removed.
FAQ
Question: What was the reason for this policy change? / This is a pointless change, undo now! / Staff are just abusive fucks who wanna curate content they don’t like! / We have filters, use them!
Answer:
Over the course of the previous year we have done our best to moderate AI content fairly and impartially. We have tried to allow this content to exist as freely as possible to fuel and empower niché interests and communities. However, we can’t have nice things.
Over the course of the previous year we have done our best to moderate AI content fairly and impartially. We have tried to allow this content to exist as freely as possible to fuel and empower niché interests and communities. However, we can’t have nice things.
AI generated content (mostly of purely generated variety) has generated a disproportionally large amount of moderation workload for us, to the point where 80% of moderator time/effort was dealing with AI generated images. Not just the approval queue where we check if something is illegal, no. Most of the work came from reports from other users, like investigating bad anatomy, ghost signatures, artist style emulation, models trained to specifically mimic an artist, as well as many AI uploaders not respecting our rules and limits and blatantly disregarding them, uploading more than allowed per day. The investigative work required for this alone was taking hours upon hours from moderator’s day every day. And we as moderators can’t “just use filters” and have a blind eye to rule breaking content.
As this started to become a bigger problem with the increase in AI upload frequency (can be easily seen at tantabus, the “statistics” page has a graph of AI content on derpi), as well as the rise of better and more high quality AI models, we as staff have started having a lengthy discussion which went on for well over a year, as to how to best solve this problem. No matter what else we tried, no matter how many people we banned, the situation only kept getting worse.
So we realized that we can’t keep allowing AI generated content and needed far better categorization for it. Many ideas have been thrown around and discarded in our staff chatrooms over the course of the last year, like deleting everything outright and being done with it, and we eventually came to a compromise that aims to allow this content to exist and flourish without overloading our unpaid volunteer moderation team. And hence, Tantabus was born, a solution that offers grounds for AI prompters to go wild and for far better categorization of AI content than derpi could ever offer without substantially needing to re-do the whole Derpibooru tagging system.
WARNING: asking this or a similar question in the thread will get you banned for a month
Staff Testimonies
