DB WORKSHOP: Tag discussion

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@Exhumed Legume  
Kinda sorta yep?
 
@The Smiling Pony  
Unedited screencaps are always safe, no matter what. If they’ve been edited in any way or made to loop in just the right, sure, whatever.
Suggestive is meant to be a rating tag people can use to filter out anything “too hot” for the show.
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Suggestive is meant to be a rating tag people can use to filter out anything “too hot” for the show.
And that’s where out of context comes in.
 
As I said, out of context can be safe – when it’s just comical or something – but my issue is with:
unedited screencaps are always safe, even with “out of context”.
For example, an otherwise unedited screencap from the show itself can not be safe if it needs the bedroom eyes tag, which is always at least suggestive:
 
But then, I’m just going by the tag descriptions, so what do I know… :P
Solitude
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@Exhumed Legume  
TSP said “Unedited screencaps are always safe, no matter what.”. That means regardless of what tags people tend to stick on them. Sure, someone made a screencap catching somepony mid-blink while looking at another pony so “Hey guy, they’re totally into each other/canon shipping confirmed”. You can tag that out of context and bedroom eyes because of that but that still means it’s an unedited screencap so it should stay safe.
 
if it needs the bedroom eyes tag, which is always at least suggestive
 
Have I got news for you.
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@Exhumed Legume  
[bq=”Exhumed Legume”]the bedroom eyes tag, which is always at least suggestive:
Err noo, very obviously false?
I guess you could campaign for the changing of the description, but those are not meant to be 100% positively absolutely always perfectly descriptive, they clearly are trying to describe a group of indicators in that sentence.
(PS. no mistagging. You can not seriously mean that fluttering eyes pushes a pic into NSFW territory? please.)
As for screencaps, the show is rated kid safe therefore by definition any screencap can’t be anything but. Now, if the animation was cropped, looped, etc. THEN as an edit it might have a different rating, but otherwise not.
I think the line that Solitude quoted came up directly in the discussion about the “out of context” images as people asked whether they should count as “suggestive” since they are clearly chosen with that kind of intent and discussion in the comments is likely to be in the same vein, and TSP ruled that they should be Safe still.

That aside, to the original question about fetishes (though Solitude is a genius and answered everything just fine);
I think it should be clear that most fetish targets are items that are not sexually exciting to the common person, therefore they are normally Safe. Yet the more emphasized they are in a pic the more clear the purpose of the pic is. eg. diapers on baby pones, normal; diapers on adult pones, veery indicative of being fetish material. Same goes with very detailed throaths and insides in vore pics for example (they even tend to follow a standard style). So there’s really no way to assign the “…fetish” tag to jut one category. And yet I don’t think it’s too difficult to notice them becoming more pronounced as the pics make the move from Safe->Suggestive->Questinable even for someone not into them.
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Weirdo
You can not seriously mean that fluttering eyes pushes a pic into NSFW territory?
Hey now, bedroom eyes are listed in the tag description for suggestive as things that are suggestive. Excuse me for taking the admins and mods at their word…  
Also, “bedroom eyes” isn’t quite synonymous with “fluttering eyes”.
 
As for screencaps, the show is rated kid safe therefore by definition any screencap can’t be anything but. Now, if the animation was cropped, looped, etc. THEN as an edit it might have a different rating, but otherwise not.
Yes, yes, the post by TSP that Solitude quoted already covered this.  
I was previously unaware of said post – that, frankly, contradicts the tagging guidelines laid out elsewhere – but now I’ve been made aware and know better.
 

 
I think it should be clear that […] And yet I don’t think it’s too difficult to notice them becoming more pronounced as the pics make the move from Safe->Suggestive->Questinable even for someone not into them.
Agreed.
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Yes yes, blame me for everything, I’m used to it.
 
At some point “bedroom eyes” was used for just that, art where the character was giving a seductive look. Then people started just slapping it onto ever random screencap where the character happened to be blinking because “hurr durr brazzers logo” level bullshit.
 
Grand. Whatever.
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@Exhumed Legume  
There are a few times in the show where characters are giving seductive looks (a certain scene from Rarity Investigates comes to mind) and the tag would still apply there. Otherwise it can probably be taken off, though personally I enjoy the madness that comes with the obsessive screencapping of every frame of this show and I’d hate to see it discouraged.
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Weirdo
There are a few times in the show where characters are giving seductive looks (a certain scene from Rarity Investigates comes to mind) and the tag would still apply there.
One would assume the “unedited, not cropped out-of-context, screencap from the show = always safe” rule would supersede the description for an individual tag.  
Then again, this has not been disputed, so I don’t really know why you’re pointing it out…
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Given that “suggestive” means “implying imminent snu-snu,” then shouldn’t fetish material fall under “questionable”? There’s this:
 
@Solitude  
because I recalled something about the fetish tag implying “suggestive.”
Just to point out: according to the guidelines
Suggestive
-Minor fetish scenarios (e.g. tickle torture)
Questionable
-Major overt fetish scenarios (e.g. inflation, diaper)
 
But that seems a bit inconsistent with the idea of “suggestive” being “imminent snu-snu,” and questionable being something that’s, well, questionable if it’s “safe” or not.
 
Also, what makes a fetish scenario “minor” vs “major overt”? Clearly something can be extremely suggestive, but like those examples I linked earlier, this >>1111469 really doesn’t strike me as more “safe” than this: >>1097482
 
…I dunno, though, I don’t really want to stir stuff up but I just kinda want things a bit more fair? I mean, like I said, the thing that kinda bothered me was how it’s universally agreed that even the tamest pictures of adult ponies in diapers needs to be questionable, but those sneeze fetish pictures passed just fine as safe. Can we just agree that because they’re fetish pictures (entire point of the picture is just the pony sneezing) and so they shouldn’t be safe? That would be good…
 
I-just-really-don’t-want-to-be-that-weird-annoying-person-nobody-likes-that-pushes-their-weird-fetishes-in-the-tags  
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Solitude
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@Exhumed Legume  
The guidelines have been overhauled since then so I imagine they’re more in line with individual tag descriptions now. But I’ll keep that in mind.
 
@Vree  
Far as I know bedroom eyes have always been considered suggestive on account of what they’re implying but tags and their usage seem to evolve over time.
 
I’d be more in favor of having out of context as the only tag on screencaps that have any “wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean” factor since most people here seem to grasp what’s being implied anyway (or just apply their own implications) but that’s me oversimplifying.
 
But I can also understand if it needs to be changed even if I’m not much of a proponent for it. That decree was made two years ago and things change.
 
and believe you me: I’m very much the opposite.
 
@Exhumed Legume  
Would you believe I just discovered that that’s also noted on the safe tag itself?
 
@The Smiling Pony  
I’m sorry. Nobody is blaming anybody. We’re just comparing sources and trying to reach an agreeable solution.
 
@Twilights-Secret  
The -problem thing is that it’s something of a gray area. Look.
 
When it comes to sexual matters.
 
Suggestive  
Somewhat sexual, but not overtly.  
So yes, imminent snu-snu but more via implication.
 
Questionable  
Overtly sexual, but not all the way.  
Imminent snu-snu by way of plain to see, no implications necessary.
 
But the thing is that that’s not all the tags cover. Imminent snu-snu need not always apply as it might just be potential chance for snu-snu somewhere in the foreseeable future. Or just things like flattering outfits/poses or skinny dipping or casual nudity.
 
Fetishes are another matter depending on what’s in the picture and likely how the fetish is percieved.
 
It’s a can of worms I’d rather not open since I lack understanding of most things. Also again: gray area.
 
Sneezing might get a pass for safe since most would not consider a picture of a sneezing pony that strange even if it was a fetish picture. Disgusting maybe, depending on the level of snot involved.
 
Seeing grown people/ponies in diapers on the other hand would be since the common perception is that diapers shouldn’t be used by them. Personally I’d put a simple diaper edit under suggestive to be safe though I can see it being tagged safe. When the image becomes more sexual/fetishy (or, y’know, the soiled diapers thing) then it should be upped to questionable. But again, that’s just my take on it.
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@Vree
Far as I know bedroom eyes have always been considered suggestive on account of what they’re implying but tags and their usage seem to evolve over time.
 
I honestly doubt that. The purpose of the NSFW tags is to hide the things that would be deemed inappropriate for children - sex lingo, certain body parts, fluids, positions etc., even if only mentioned or implied.  
That really has nothing to do with seductive eyebrow-moving,which is the level of cheek kisses and boyfriend talk, ie. acceptable. Both the tag description and the internet are quite clear on what people mean under “bedroom eyes”. Even if the usage on DB shifted over time there’s no WAY that changed.
 
We went quite off topic but if we ended up at the topic of 100% correct tag dexcriptions then yes I’d suggest that the last sentence of the Suggestive tag’s description is changed if Exhume claims that it can give ground to a seductive stare = NSFW confusion.
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For the “bedroom eyes” problem, blame whoever aliased “lidded eyes” to it. That was the tag for non-suggestive half-lowered eyes.
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@Solitude  
Well, I think I gave/can give ample proof that “bedroom eyes” is not auto Suggestive and EL claims he’s mislead so the only thing that remains is for a mod to actually change the description.
 
@dt  
Why? Tags are good. We’ve got a bunch of similar snowclones, haven’t heart a hunting season announced on them.
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Weirdo
change the description.
Alternatively, remove the aliasing; I suspect a significant chunk of the safe bedroom eyes are from unsuspecting lidded eyes taggers…
 
Personally, I’d be okay with either solution – or some other, for that matter – as long as we have consistency between tags. :P
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@Exhumed Legume  
But the aliasing was perfectly correct, as evidenced by bioth the current “bedroom eyes” description and any online slang search. Whether somebody once they’d create a DB tag with a different meaning (one that is always Suggestive, somehow) is nonrelevant since the users and whoever added the b.e. tag description now disagree.
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@Exhumed Legume  
I agree, those tags really need to be un-aliased… That last one with Rarity is a perfect example of safe “lidded eyes” =/= suggestive “bedroom eyes.”
 
And lol, by an interesting coincidence(?), someone seems to be uploading a few “lidded eyes” but not “bedroom eyes” pictures right now:
 
 
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