Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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@HorsesandMuchMOAR  
That gerrymandered-as-fuck border should be the first clue that this is a bad idea. The proposed state would, by necessity, enjoy a privileged relationship with the “federal district” for law enforcement and other local matters, negating the whole point of making the federal district not part of any state.
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@Commune  
I suspect DC residents prefer statehood because it would give them more independent power, namely two senate seats. Fair enough to them, I can’t blame them for wanting more power in the federal government if they can get it.
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So that Texas law that puts a bounty on women seeking abortion or anything even tangentially related? The site meant to collect said data has gone through the wringer.
 
  1. First it was flooded with porn.  
  2. Then it lost its IP provider since the site is basically just a doxxing machine, which violates the TOS.  
  3. Then it lost its second IP provider on the same grounds.  
  4. Now the only IP provider willing to host the site is the same one that hosts Gab, Parlor and 8chan.
     
    Well, it’s unlikely it’ll lose its host a third time. But damn it sure is appropriate that it’s peers are various far-right cesspools up to and including literal Nazis.
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And the IRA wouldn’t have gotten anything if they weren’t armed to the teeth  
Besides, you are literally saying you will roll over the moment Christian fundamentalists take over your country  
Unless you are saying the one billionth peaceful protest will totally overthrow them this time  
Without guns, why would they even listen?
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it’s unlikely it’ll lose its host a third time.
At least those opposed can still keep flooding it with explicit material.
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@Background Human  
Isn’t the reason for that “gerrymandered-as-fuck” border because it’s basically all federal buildings in there? Even if it needs a privileged relationship with Washington’s MPD for law enforcement, wouldn’t it actually be the other way around (since their headquarters, if I checked the map correctly, are located right outside the FD’s border)? It’s not like it would be a great prejudice for the district’s residents since there are virtually none beside the president and other elected state officials (who should already be under the protection of the Secret Service).
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@Background Human
Isn’t the reason for that “gerrymandered-as-fuck” border because it’s basically all federal buildings in there? Even if it needs a privileged relationship with Washington’s MPD for law enforcement, wouldn’t it actually be the other way around (since their headquarters, if I checked the map correctly, are located right outside the FD’s border)? It’s not like it would be a great prejudice for the district’s residents since there are virtually none beside the president and other elected state officials (who should already be under the protection of the Secret Service).
 
Having been there several times I can confirm: literally no one lives in the marked “Federal District”. The primary occupants are the headquarters of various federal agencies, the office of legislators, the Smithsonian museums and monuments, and other government institutions. Complaining about something like, I don’t know: policing is like being mad there’s a national park parked right outside of town and technically under the jurisdiction of your own PD or county sheriff but is the territory of the National Park Service and its rangers. Or that somehow the bulk amount of commercial activity will somehow end up there: which it won’t because it’s so small and is already crowded with federal agencies whose money will anyways pour out into the city itself; the only retail activity I saw there was by ice-cream trucks and maybe a single men’s outfitter by the Edgar J. Hoover building at the DC metro station of South Capital (and I can assure you, when it comes to those: the owners would all live in the District proper, or Maryland/Virginia).
 
I think the boundaries also exclude many of DC’s hotels too so it’s not egregious or terrible Gerrymandering. It is at anything only excluding properties of the federal government so they’re still under Congressional control.
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Not a bad idea in-and-of-itself, though wouldn’t it make more sense for the non-FD to revert back to Maryland?
 
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Yeah all the more liberty-minded gun frens are also taking the piss out of it too. Case in point:
 
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It’s also why people calling me a “rightoid” or a “RWNJ” is laughably inaccurate, because I’m on record as being ruthlessly pro-abortion.
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I’m pretty anti abortion and even I hate this. It’s a cheap way to circumvent the constitution, which is something i’m sick of seeing people do.
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I mean, historically and statistically speaking Trump’s chosen candidates have lost their races nearly over 90% of the time. And most of the ones to win were in safe districts anyway.
 
So yeah, I want Trump to go but if he’s going to continue to ruin Republican chances for victories then he doesn’t have to be in a hurry to leave.
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I can understand that, though I feel if D.C. (excluding a proposed FD) becomes a state, I could definitely see arguments being made that NYC or parts of California becoming their own states. People would of course argue that D.C. is unique, but given how perception drives reality, I know a lot of people from upstate NY or the conservative parts of California that would very much like for their politics to not be driven by a major populous metropolis that they feel may not have their best interests at heart.
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This is different, these are united state citizens on the mainland continental united states who don’t have rights over their own lives based entirely on overreach by the federal government, they deserve statehood just as much as all the other territories do,
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I can understand that, though I feel if D.C. (excluding a proposed FD) becomes a state, I could definitely see arguments being made that NYC or parts of California becoming their own states. People would of course argue that D.C. is unique, but given how perception drives reality, I know a lot of people from upstate NY or the conservative parts of California that would very much like for their politics to not be driven by a major populous metropolis that they feel may not have their best interests at heart.
 
Well the difference between DC and NYC and California is that that DC has been since its inception a separate entity from Maryland and Virginia. Prior to the founding, there was literally nothing there. It was only and ever only a large chunk of George Washington’s private estate. In fact DC’s exact location is derived because Washington used his influence to use the federal government as a piggy bank in exchange for his worst property. And when it was set up, it was set up to be independent of the surrounding territory.
 
So the development of Washington DC can only be understood as an independent polity from Maryland and Virginia, despite its proximity to either. It’s had an entirely different governance from them. And the call for statehood is really more the territory pointing and going, “Hey, we have more people than many western states. What gives?”
 
To split New York and California though would be much funnier.
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@Thanotos Omega  
Well, it’s not overreach constitutionally. If they want the same rights as a citizen of a state then reintegration into Maryland is the best option. I have family there, their isn’t so much difference it would cause any real conflict.
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