CaptainXtra 
I’m not giving up.
@Latecomer
Not even if the protests are strong in its big buddy America?
Not even if the protests are strong in its big buddy America?
Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)
Scrabbleman 
[screams in German]
@CaptainXtra
Not even then. The US is Israel’s biggest supporter, both by size and by intensity.
Not even then. The US is Israel’s biggest supporter, both by size and by intensity.
Scrabbleman
[screams in German]
I can’t believe I have to look at Reddit of all places to understand what’s going on right now regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. What a world :(
CaptainXtra
I’m not giving up.
Israel is fucking bombing buildings that are Mass Media HQ outlets so that they don’t report on Palestine casualties.
Fucking garbage Netanyahuz.
May that fucker get his nuts smashed in with a mallet.
Fucking garbage Netanyahuz.
May that fucker get his nuts smashed in with a mallet.
Scrabbleman
[screams in German]
@tehwatever
Other than the usual “it’s complicated”… No. It’s still complicated.
Long story short; the Israel government and its President suck, Hamas also sucks, everyone sucks and at this point, I kinda wish no one gets to own that strip of land until they learn to behave.
Also, regarding the rockets, Israel has the Iron Dome system that protects it from rocket barrages. Palestine doesn’t which is why the damage in Gaza is more severe. In reality, they’re both shitting out rockets like no tomorrow with Hamas starting first and Israel doing it more.
Other than the usual “it’s complicated”… No. It’s still complicated.
Long story short; the Israel government and its President suck, Hamas also sucks, everyone sucks and at this point, I kinda wish no one gets to own that strip of land until they learn to behave.
Also, regarding the rockets, Israel has the Iron Dome system that protects it from rocket barrages. Palestine doesn’t which is why the damage in Gaza is more severe. In reality, they’re both shitting out rockets like no tomorrow with Hamas starting first and Israel doing it more.
tehwatever 
@Scrabbleman
fair, but imo for this particular case, Israel needs to be smacked upside the head. The “complicated” thing is for LATER. Right now Israel needs a serious slap on its head. When Israel’s calmed down and if Hamas is still firing, then slap Hamas on the head.
The Al-Aqsa thing and evictions wasn’t Hamas…that’s crossing lines. Everybody knows they’ve been shilling rockets, so nobody’s surprised. But here’s a question: when you see two people fighting and one is a major heavyweight the other featherweight and the featherweight is losing every round 10-7 and bleeding all around, most good referee woulda stopped it. Doesn’t matter if both don’t wanna stop.
That’s what USA should do. STOP THE FIGHT, motherfucker! You wanna wait until someone dies?!
fair, but imo for this particular case, Israel needs to be smacked upside the head. The “complicated” thing is for LATER. Right now Israel needs a serious slap on its head. When Israel’s calmed down and if Hamas is still firing, then slap Hamas on the head.
The Al-Aqsa thing and evictions wasn’t Hamas…that’s crossing lines. Everybody knows they’ve been shilling rockets, so nobody’s surprised. But here’s a question: when you see two people fighting and one is a major heavyweight the other featherweight and the featherweight is losing every round 10-7 and bleeding all around, most good referee woulda stopped it. Doesn’t matter if both don’t wanna stop.
That’s what USA should do. STOP THE FIGHT, motherfucker! You wanna wait until someone dies?!
tehwatever
There was an interview BBC where an ambassador went to say things like “synagoge was attacked, israeli children fearful to go to school” trying to score sympathy points while Israeli police raided AL-AQSA, in RAMADAN, with people still in it praying.
Hamas only knows how to fire rockets. Israeli systematically makes Palestine feel like they’re literal animals with zero dignity, with the whole world supporting their cause. So yeah both sides are bad, but Palestine is the major underdog in this fight.
Also Israel may have funded Hamas in order to prevent a secular Palestine, so…maybe Karma maybe not.
Hamas only knows how to fire rockets. Israeli systematically makes Palestine feel like they’re literal animals with zero dignity, with the whole world supporting their cause. So yeah both sides are bad, but Palestine is the major underdog in this fight.
Also Israel may have funded Hamas in order to prevent a secular Palestine, so…maybe Karma maybe not.
Scrabbleman
What do you mean “until someone dies”? Someone’s already dead. Lots of someones.
[screams in German]
That’s what USA should do. STOP THE FIGHT, motherfucker! You wanna wait until someone dies?!
What do you mean “until someone dies”? Someone’s already dead. Lots of someones.
igotnopicks 
The USA can’t really do anything about this conflict. They can’t really play favorites.
Monado User
That’s what USA should do. STOP THE FIGHT, motherfucker! You wanna wait until someone dies?!What do you mean “until someone dies”? Someone’s already dead. Lots of someones.
The USA can’t really do anything about this conflict. They can’t really play favorites.
tehwatever
@Scrabbleman
It’s an analogy to boxing / mma. I personified both Israel and Palestine and put them in an MMA fight. Israel’s winning 10-7 rounds every round. 10-7 is when one guy basically absolutely dominating and giving an ass whooping, even worse than an 10-8 round.
Good refs usually stops fights when one fighter can no longer protect itself no matter if they’re still willing to fight.
Bad refs lets the fight go on even after the other has broken an arm, is beaten senseless, limp on the ground, etc. That is called late stoppage. Fighters could DIE from late stoppage or no stoppage.
With that analogy: USA being the ref and Israel and Palestine being the fighters, one fighter dying means the total destruction of its population or infrastructure. At this rate, Palestine is the one getting beaten. A good coach will throw in the towel but Hamas doesn’t give a shit so it’s not gonna. So it’s up to the ref, the USA, to stop the fight BEFORE Palestine dies.
Why am I using MMA? Because you said “both sides are shilling rockets so they’re both bad.” MMA in this case is appropriate, because in a fight, both sides would HAVE to be trying to hurt each other. But also like in MMA, a third party observer, in this case the referee, has authority to intervene, with force, if necessary, once it deems a fight life threatening for any of the fighter.
There is not a single referee in a pro MMA fight that just use words to stop a fight. You seen the Khabib fight? Herb Dean had to pry Khabib’s hands off McGregor’s jaws else Khabib would probably just kill McGregor on the spot!
That’s what I want! WHO CARES about the complexity of the situation! Intervene! Stop the fight right now! Talk about the politics later.
@Latecomer
From this vid.
It’s an analogy to boxing / mma. I personified both Israel and Palestine and put them in an MMA fight. Israel’s winning 10-7 rounds every round. 10-7 is when one guy basically absolutely dominating and giving an ass whooping, even worse than an 10-8 round.
Good refs usually stops fights when one fighter can no longer protect itself no matter if they’re still willing to fight.
Bad refs lets the fight go on even after the other has broken an arm, is beaten senseless, limp on the ground, etc. That is called late stoppage. Fighters could DIE from late stoppage or no stoppage.
With that analogy: USA being the ref and Israel and Palestine being the fighters, one fighter dying means the total destruction of its population or infrastructure. At this rate, Palestine is the one getting beaten. A good coach will throw in the towel but Hamas doesn’t give a shit so it’s not gonna. So it’s up to the ref, the USA, to stop the fight BEFORE Palestine dies.
Why am I using MMA? Because you said “both sides are shilling rockets so they’re both bad.” MMA in this case is appropriate, because in a fight, both sides would HAVE to be trying to hurt each other. But also like in MMA, a third party observer, in this case the referee, has authority to intervene, with force, if necessary, once it deems a fight life threatening for any of the fighter.
There is not a single referee in a pro MMA fight that just use words to stop a fight. You seen the Khabib fight? Herb Dean had to pry Khabib’s hands off McGregor’s jaws else Khabib would probably just kill McGregor on the spot!
That’s what I want! WHO CARES about the complexity of the situation! Intervene! Stop the fight right now! Talk about the politics later.
@Latecomer
From this vid.
tehwatever
@igotnopicks
A referee does not play favorites. A proper ref stops the fight when a fight becomes life threatening for one fighter. So no, it doesn’t have to.
Go in there, break it off, tell them both to go to their corners and wait for the ref’s decision. If the ref decides a fighter can no longer fight they can’t fight without incurring penalties or punishment.
USA’s got the muscle to be ref. So why not?
A referee does not play favorites. A proper ref stops the fight when a fight becomes life threatening for one fighter. So no, it doesn’t have to.
Go in there, break it off, tell them both to go to their corners and wait for the ref’s decision. If the ref decides a fighter can no longer fight they can’t fight without incurring penalties or punishment.
USA’s got the muscle to be ref. So why not?
igotnopicks
Monado User
@tehwatever
What do you want the USA to go to another war in the middle east?
What do you want the USA to go to another war in the middle east?
silbasa 
@igotnopicks
You could have flexed your considerable diplomatic muscle to make Israel stand down, but Biden is not interested: https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1393707042771283969
Remarkable how quiet he gets when it’s Israel doing something bad…
You could have flexed your considerable diplomatic muscle to make Israel stand down, but Biden is not interested: https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1393707042771283969
Remarkable how quiet he gets when it’s Israel doing something bad…
Background Pony #99CC
I understand what you’re saying, and I will admit that I actually wasn’t sure just how, exactly, I could effectively and accurately convey the absolute seriousness—as well as the potentially disastrous and dire consequences—of the subject matter that needed to be brought to everyone else’s attention—without, as you say, looking like “Daffy Duck”, or as someone who shouldn’t be taken seriously.
With that being said, however, the topic that I’m trying to inform everyone on is NOT something that should ever be downplayed or brushed off (as while you don’t necessarily seem to have done so, you still have appeared to have decided not to take it as seriously as you—or anyone else, for that matter—should, as referenced below) so long as it both continues to exist, and continues grow even stronger and more out-of-control.
Here’s why that this assertion just simply doesn’t work in this case, here: this vocal minority has managed to completely worm its way into—and rapidly proliferate in—countless major and minor institutions of almost all kinds throughout this country, meaning that it no longer matters whether or not it’s a vocal minority, but that it now has the ability to effectively brainwash and gaslight possibly hundreds of thousands—if not, millions—of people into believing their lies, and/or their distortions of the objective, indisputable truth.
This is the danger that I’m greatly concerned of, and seems as if nobody else that happens to lie anywhere on the left side of the political spectrum but me has been in staunch, unwavering opposition to such absolutely unjustifiable insanity that is practically flourishing unchecked in liberal, progressive, and/or leftist-dominated institutions.
And while absolutely all of this is objectively true—and that there is absolutely nothing necessarily wrong with being proud of or celebrating those things, in and of itself—it is unfortunately the reality that those people, who unironically belive that those things you claim to be proud of are forms/perpetuations of “white supremacy”, are actually going to come to the conclusion that you’re either a white supremacist, or are perpetuating some form of “whiteness” and/or some form of so-called “white supremacy”.
And perhaps, most disturbingly, is that if those people—who unironically buy into that crap—ever end up learning that you are an actual professor at some high-ranking university in Virginia, then they’re likely going to do everything in their power to get you fired, as well as possibly attempt to have your whole set of livelihood options and/or your reputation ruined.
That’s just unfortunately how it is, nowadays, and this particular song ironically comes to mind as I’m thinking about this.
Lad, word of advice, brevity is a virtue. You use so many filler words that it borders on purple prose levels and distracts from your main point. It’s hard to take you seriously when you’re doing the Daffy Duck thing of sticking more and more descriptors on your statement.You could have said everything you intended to say with 1/3rd the words and not lost any of the needed information.
I understand what you’re saying, and I will admit that I actually wasn’t sure just how, exactly, I could effectively and accurately convey the absolute seriousness—as well as the potentially disastrous and dire consequences—of the subject matter that needed to be brought to everyone else’s attention—without, as you say, looking like “Daffy Duck”, or as someone who shouldn’t be taken seriously.
With that being said, however, the topic that I’m trying to inform everyone on is NOT something that should ever be downplayed or brushed off (as while you don’t necessarily seem to have done so, you still have appeared to have decided not to take it as seriously as you—or anyone else, for that matter—should, as referenced below) so long as it both continues to exist, and continues grow even stronger and more out-of-control.
It tends to be a vocal minority, with most people being smart enough to distinguish between the two
Here’s why that this assertion just simply doesn’t work in this case, here: this vocal minority has managed to completely worm its way into—and rapidly proliferate in—countless major and minor institutions of almost all kinds throughout this country, meaning that it no longer matters whether or not it’s a vocal minority, but that it now has the ability to effectively brainwash and gaslight possibly hundreds of thousands—if not, millions—of people into believing their lies, and/or their distortions of the objective, indisputable truth.
This is the danger that I’m greatly concerned of, and seems as if nobody else that happens to lie anywhere on the left side of the political spectrum but me has been in staunch, unwavering opposition to such absolutely unjustifiable insanity that is practically flourishing unchecked in liberal, progressive, and/or leftist-dominated institutions.
On that note, I don’t inherently disagree with you. I have noticed that, on several occasions, some people will label any pride or celebration from white heritage as white supremacy at worst, or at the very least as somehow being inherently racist.I’ve seen it happen personally. I’m rather proud of my Irish and German heritage, and of my adherence to indoeuropean Pagan traditions, both of which has earned me some ire from extreme radicals.
And while absolutely all of this is objectively true—and that there is absolutely nothing necessarily wrong with being proud of or celebrating those things, in and of itself—it is unfortunately the reality that those people, who unironically belive that those things you claim to be proud of are forms/perpetuations of “white supremacy”, are actually going to come to the conclusion that you’re either a white supremacist, or are perpetuating some form of “whiteness” and/or some form of so-called “white supremacy”.
And perhaps, most disturbingly, is that if those people—who unironically buy into that crap—ever end up learning that you are an actual professor at some high-ranking university in Virginia, then they’re likely going to do everything in their power to get you fired, as well as possibly attempt to have your whole set of livelihood options and/or your reputation ruined.
That’s just unfortunately how it is, nowadays, and this particular song ironically comes to mind as I’m thinking about this.
Background Pony #99CC
Depends on what you mean by “what you are owed”, yet given the fact that you are an anarcho-communist or an anarcho-socialist (albeit a very highly intelligent one, at that), I’m just going to limit myself to taking your advice with a grain of salt, if anything.
@silbasa
If that’s the truth, I’d rather stay a NEET. But given that it’s you saying it, I really don’t see any reason to accept it as correct.Unionize and take what you are owed but through the coercive force of organized labor at you and your comrade’s finger tips.
Depends on what you mean by “what you are owed”, yet given the fact that you are an anarcho-communist or an anarcho-socialist (albeit a very highly intelligent one, at that), I’m just going to limit myself to taking your advice with a grain of salt, if anything.
doloresbridge 
Now, I think think we are much more in a quagmire with the middle east then we were back then and igotnopicks has a point with us having our hands tied. Personally, I wish the USA had maintained a more neutral stance with the entire world but now in order for a disengagement would just leave chaos and a power vacuum. Though being more careful wouldn’t hurt anyone and perhaps we could leverage our Isreali aid to deescalate this.
Side note: Baltimore has now increased their police budget by 28 million
>>1965592s (deleted)
@Background Pony #99CC
I find what you say interesting, at least at a glance, and I do agree it is a problem really starting to rear its head. I would be interested in having a exchange of perspectives on the matter if you have an account that you could PM me with. We could publicly talk here too I suppose, right now though I am pretty busy with life so I consider it easier to have that set up for when I have the time to reply.
Peace to all
@igotnopicks
@tehwatever
@silbasa
Don’t really have time to stick around for this discourse but I think it would be interesting to look at the Suez crisis in reference to this whole USA stopping of Israel business being suggested.
@tehwatever
@silbasa
Don’t really have time to stick around for this discourse but I think it would be interesting to look at the Suez crisis in reference to this whole USA stopping of Israel business being suggested.
he response of President Dwight Eisenhower’s administration was measured. It warned the Soviets that reckless talk of nuclear conflict would only make matters worse, and cautioned Khrushchev to refrain from direct intervention in the conflict. However, Eisenhower (1890-1969) also issued stern warnings to the French, British and Israelis to give up their campaign and withdraw from Egyptian soil. Eisenhower was upset with the British, in particular, for not keeping the United States informed about their intentions. The United States threatened all three nations with economic sanctions if they persisted in their attack. The threats did their work. The British and French forces withdrew by December; Israel finally bowed to U.S. pressure in March 1957, relinquishing control over the canal to Egypt.
Now, I think think we are much more in a quagmire with the middle east then we were back then and igotnopicks has a point with us having our hands tied. Personally, I wish the USA had maintained a more neutral stance with the entire world but now in order for a disengagement would just leave chaos and a power vacuum. Though being more careful wouldn’t hurt anyone and perhaps we could leverage our Isreali aid to deescalate this.
Side note: Baltimore has now increased their police budget by 28 million
>>1965592s (deleted)
@Background Pony #99CC
I find what you say interesting, at least at a glance, and I do agree it is a problem really starting to rear its head. I would be interested in having a exchange of perspectives on the matter if you have an account that you could PM me with. We could publicly talk here too I suppose, right now though I am pretty busy with life so I consider it easier to have that set up for when I have the time to reply.
silbasa
@doloresbridge
Lol at the police budget.
I don’t want you to disengage but use your influence for good. Pressure them to make peace.
Lol at the police budget.
I don’t want you to disengage but use your influence for good. Pressure them to make peace.
doloresbridge
Peace to all
@silbasa
To clarify, my ideal geopolitical position of the United States is semi-neutrality at least, though I don’t consider a simple disengagement possible. Especially with the rise of China. Being more careful though would be nice.
To clarify, my ideal geopolitical position of the United States is semi-neutrality at least, though I don’t consider a simple disengagement possible. Especially with the rise of China. Being more careful though would be nice.
silbasa
@doloresbridge
Indeed. The world definitely needs an active US working for stability and democracy. (We don’t need the crazy left woke version of those things.) Democracy is not doing so well atm.
@Background Pony #99CC
@Background Pony #99CC
You see the truth BP, even when they deny it.
Indeed. The world definitely needs an active US working for stability and democracy. (We don’t need the crazy left woke version of those things.) Democracy is not doing so well atm.
@Background Pony #99CC
@Background Pony #99CC
You see the truth BP, even when they deny it.
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