The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things)

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They are definitely not going to like this.
 
The biggest part of this that they won’t realize is men are held at a higher standard. Deny it all they want, but it’s true. Especially seeing is just one thing taken the wrong way will lead to what we’ve seen time and time again.
 
If anyone remembers that one obnoxious woman that was booted off the plane believing she was entitled to scream at someone was shocked to be kicked off. That’s what happens.
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Ooh, this data can be interpreted in so many ways, oh boy. I’m glad such data exists, but I don’t see it changing anyone’s minds about sexual harassment in online games.
 
The thing I want to say about this is to point out that not all sexual harassment comes from sexism; some comes from the desire to insult another person, and to use whatever means seems to be most effective. Sexism against women is a hot-button topic, so many will see it as an effective insult and use it for that purpose. One may want to insult a woman for many reasons, only some of which come from sexism. So, this data only really suggests to me that sexual harassment towards women isn’t as much of a gendered issue as some may see it.
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@Plain Pony  
If you’ve ever seen a Call of Duty online match video, then you had to have seen a 12 year old try to call someone names, only for it to backfire and get mocked into screaming profusely.
 
In battles, psychological battles is just as important as physical. If players were allowed to shit-talk others during tournaments, they would. Anything to throw off the opponent.
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@Cyborg_pony  
Sure it’s the kind of insults that you wouldn’t see on a golf or chess competition. Yes there’s streams of insults and gamer rage, on all sides; but that’s a part of the game; it’s a punching ball; a complete shitfest, but some people need to expel that rage and frustration after a journey; male or female, into something where you frag your opponent with a chainsaw; and capture their flag gloriously in a chant that would give them a MTV award in rap lyrics.
 
“Come on folks, let’s remain fair-play; this is just a game afterall! let’s have a nice cup of tea and then I DEMOLISH YOUR FACE WITH GRENADES ILL SHOVE IN YA CUNT”
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@The Frowning Pony  
Puritan mindset. White knight is right. Porn has been pushed for to be banned first by the religious right and now by the sjw left. When will people stop messing with our porn and shit.
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@The Frowning Pony  
It’s in the report “Our results show that playing a video  
game with sexualized female characters increases online sexual  
harassment toward women”. The implication being that if companies ban sexualized women in games then harrassment will stop. We both know that won’t be the case. This is nothing more than an excuse to ban something. Sexy women this time and what next porn? Booth babes were gotten rid of by SJW puritans who didn’t ask or even care if the people who they were taking away jobs from wanted to leave their job.
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@RadioDemon  
What are you even talking about? It’s a study, there were results, they summarized the results and gave their conclusions. Are you anti-science because science is an ~SJW~ plot or something?
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@RadioDemon  
I hadn’t considered that angle, but I suppose people could use this study to argue against sexy women in media. It’d be really stupid, but I can see it happening. Now that you point it out though, it’s really odd that they’d use that for the study, especially when so many of the popular online multiplayer games out right now don’t actually feature such designs…
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@Plain Pony  
The fewer that have them, the more the attacks will focus on the minority that do. And it’s not like they’ve ever cared how scientific the propaganda is.
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@The Frowning Pony  
I finished reading it.
 
Basically  
Participants were 211 students(49% male) 18 to 37 years old(M=21.87, SD=2.94) recruited from a Belgian university. Among the 211 participants,114 identified themselves as videogame players, and spent between 0 and 60hr per week playing video games (M=11.35,SD=11.43). None of the participants had previously played the videogame used in the present study.
 
Playing SF4. both females in bikinis, then a version with the same more clothed. Players were encouraged to communicate sexist jokes all kind of things how they like.
 
The ANCOVA revealeda significant main effect of participant gender and a significant main effect of partner gender.Male participants sent significantly fewer sexist jokes (M=2.29,SE=0.15) than female participants(M=2.74, SE=0.15). Male partners received significantly more sexist jokes(M=2.13,SE=0.15) than female partners(M=2.89, SE=0.15). This latter main effect was qualified by the predicted significant two-way interaction between type of video game and partner gender on sexist jokes (Figure3). Planned contrasts revealed that being exposed to the sexualized video game (rather than the non-sexualized video game) significantly increased the number of sexist jokes sent to women,[t(199)=2.28,p=.024,d=0.44], but did not significantly influence the number of sexist jokes sent to men [t(199)=−1.22,p=.222,d=0.24]. Thus, the first hypothesis was supported.
 
Are sexist jokes, which, this study proves, even linked to actual aggressive behavior? Or should instead sexual things, in a context of being two adults playing half naked babes be considered something private and both are consenting?
 
You know what this kind of study proves? Absolutely nothing, at best you can try to make the same kind of test with characters almost naked, male and female players, that’d be fun, but that’s not relevant at all, and does not makes anyone an aggressive person.
 
The only assumption, and this is an opinion of a study that is more like, pissing in a violin, with a conclusion like «Sexualizing games leads to more aggressiveness», despite the study they made does not proves or demonstrate much difference.
 
But scientifically speaking, yes, men have a thing called testosterone, that’s a factor, it’s biological and does not makes any men a systematic kind of overly aggressive monster. More, however, regarding the numbers and the difference, the margin on the graph looks significantly different, but on the raw data, it’s really the same.
 
Again, it’s the goal of a game, you’re not playing chess or anything intellectual but more a game where you smash your adversary for fun. We all played vidya with a sister, a cousin, a friend, wether it’s Mariokart, Goldeneye, Street fighter, Tekken or Dead or alive, and if you wanted aggressiveness and sexist insults? there you go, she was a pro at it. I can also bring in many anecdotes, the same journalists at Kotaku will bring as evidence. This has no validity.
 
Next, a moratorium if wether usage of bombs or nukes in combat simulation/war games is even moral, you can make a LOT of studies in this kind and make stats and analyze with a psychiatrist what the player says when he drop a bunch of pixels on a fictional target that exist nowhere but on the memory of some electronic circuit.
 
 
Are we seriously debating this? This scientific research that just is a research, on a theory, and an interpretation of the results, a point of view, but again, it is still an observation.
 
The more I read the structure of this publication, the more it is «I have a theory, here’s a social experiment we did, here’s why I think this goes against my initial idea but there’s also my idea why».
 
Edit: on the topic of SJWs, there’s an article a person who wrote years ago I wish that was translated in English, but is the best and most accurate defition of what is this movement, so I’m leaving it there.
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@Patachu  
Exactly.
 
The idea that males are more sexist after playing a game with fanservice is bulls***. Nor does sexism have anything to do with it.
 
If anything, this would prove females are more sexist. But I’m not stupid enough to believe that.
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Are we seriously debating this? This scientific research that just is a research, on a theory, and an interpretation of the results, a point of view, but again, it is still an observation.
The more I read the structure of this publication, the more it is «I have a theory, here’s a social experiment we did, here’s why I think this goes against my initial idea but there’s also my idea why».
Do you just fundamentally not understand how science works? Because it’s very hard to take anything you say in that meandering, multi-paragraph disgorge seriously when it seems you don’t even grasp the basic processes that produced this study.
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Read the study. not just the conclusion, which is essentially an opinion out of something completely irrelevant, and data that may have outlined females as being more sexist «because we suppose they are defensive» not outlining any correlation, not exposing or revealing anything. There is no supposition if you think critically, you review the results of a test, and if you are honest with that one, you must admit «we found nothing in particular apart people playing a game and throwing jokes at eachother as we expected them to.»  
Have the experiment been repeated? In double-blind? Have the experimenter confronted his analysis with opposing theories? This kind of detail should appear, but I don’t see it.
 
Not even going to insist and hope anything about Bayesian inference, aka probabilities that have a HUGE role in all statistics, the context, the diversity, the kind of people, this experience is completely fruitless.
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Male participants sent significantly fewer sexist jokes(M=2.29,SE=0.15) than female participants(M=2.74, SE=0.15). Male partners received significantly more sexist jokes(M=2.13,SE=0.15) than female partners(M=2.89, SE=0.15).
 
The correct way of reading their results is that playing a less normie/more risque/game breaks the ice and makes people comfortable treating everyone the same way, breaking the normal social inhibition against saying anything that might be remotely offensive to a woman.  
But of course the authors filter this through an ideological lens that makes a non-woke conclusion impossible, so they use absurd justifications like “men are only “harassed” more because of their patriarchal dominance”!
 
I can’t believe we’re even having to discuss this here, of all places. This is exactly the same methodology the “vidya causes school shooters” studies used. The only difference is that people are primed to accept it uncritically because it’s trendy, and as an ego-defense against being called gross nerdbrodude incels.
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