Can’t see the second study due to a paywall, it’s generally best to avoid such studies when proving points because of how easily the claim of ‘does that study actually say what you claim it says’ can be thrown when the study is inaccessable to most.
The wage gap is something that I believe is largely the result of women’s choices, but reducing it down to just that is a massive oversimplifaction that will help no one.
And what would help people, hm? Continuing to claim that women get paid less for doing an average of 5 or so hours less work than men in the same job? Claiming that it is totes legit to compare the salaries of an oil rig engineer with a school cook to determine if the woman isn’t being paid comparitively?
Women’s choices is the explanation for the pay gap, not just in terms of hours worked or jobs taken but also in terms of oppertunities gone for and wage-reducing elective benefits (pensions, medical, dental, etc) taken.
Why women choose those things is not a direct part of the wage gap argument - claiming otherwise is simply a means of deflecting attention away from the fact that the actual point of argument - that women are given less financial compensation for identical work performed by men - is being debunked by the simple showing that the examples used to ‘prove’ the gap don’t show women doing identical work or choosing identical compensation methods to men in the first place.
If you want to make a serious argument into the wage gap existing then the very first thing that has to be done is a proper study which compares like for like across a range of careers, subdivided for ages and experience levels within those careers. Once you’ve controlled for career, age, experience, family status, etc - Then you can argue over any remaining wage gaps.
It’s also worth noting that there seems to be very little effort from anti-feminists to address why women would make different choices, such as the prevailing societal notion that certain jobs are “for men” and others “for women.”
Largely because this is not their problem - the only reason it comes into the ‘wage gap’ argument is because of the dishonest practice of not comparing like for like when determining if women are paid at an equal rate to men or not. Why women pick different jobs, while important on a greater societal level, is ultimately irrelevant when the argument is over the specific issue of ‘is female person X paid the same for doing the same work as male person Y’.
As for “rape culture”, that depends on what you mean, as there are two different interpretations. If you mean something that leads to or causes rape, than you’re correct in that this doesn’t exist. SJWs like PinkiePony and DragonDicks have not made this any better, as this seems to be the falsified interpretation they use.
Agreed.
However, the “rape culture” that does exist is the one that makes it difficult for victims to be taken seriously when they are raped. It’s basically a term used to point to the systematic barriers towards addressing rape. Rape culture is most rape not going reported, as seen in the National Crime Victimization Survey, because victims don’t think to report for whatever reason. Rape Culture is boys and men not being legally classified as rape victims when forced to penetrate, because people don’t take male rape seriously. Rape culture is the difficulty in getting Rape Kits used as evidence in court due to the massive backlogs, because the government doesn’t think that cleaning up the red tape and technological difficulties in the police departments for rape kits is a priority.
And which part of Rape Culture is constantly telling women that there’s no point in reporting rape because they’ll not be taken seriously? Which part of it is parroting the unfounded claim that barely any rapists will see jail and thus given women even less incentive to report such crimes. Because Feminism regularly does both these things, yet no-one seems to question what effect on the reporting rate telling people they won’t be listened to, or that reporting won’t help, has.
As to the Rape Kit thing - the backlog is indeed terrible, but it’s amazing how many people don’t seem to realize how useless rape kits tend to be in the vast majority of rape cases. For the most part a rape kit contains equipment to take dna, hair and fiber evidence from the victim (as well as the victims blood, hair and clothes, for dna searching and/or elimination purposes).
Now… all of that simply isn’t going to be needed in any rape trial in which the situation is not ‘prove X had sexual interaction with Y’ but rather ‘prove the sex between X and Y was not consensual’ - which is a far more common occurrence than physically violent rape. All the evidence the rape kit provides is only really useful if the alleged rapist is either unknown, or denies sexual activity occurring. (EDIT: Obviously if violence was a factor then that has it’s own evidence such as physical injuries - again, not something really tracked by a rape kit itself).
So yeah, the backlog is a really shitty thing that needs to be worked through as quickly as possible… but equally a lot of the time the reasons why DNA is a pain to use in court is because the DNA evidence simply doesn’t prove anything the court doesn’t already know to be fact.
Rape Culture is not and will never be, things like cartoon horses making rape jokes on a blog. Rape Culture is not about how joking about rape will somehow convince people that rape is okay. The people who genuinely believe this are goddamned idiots and deserve to be called out for it.
Also, agreed.
Though on a related note, and one performed repeatedly by the DWM brigade, Rape Culture is expecting all rape victims to act in a manner that you think rape victims should act in (a manner not helped by common media portrayals of rape victims in tv and film). It’s about denying that they could, in fact, still laugh at rape jokes, or even just look at porn because you believe ‘Rape Victims Don’t Do That’(tm) and in worst cases it’s also about claiming anyone who doesn’t act the way you think they should isn’t a rape victim at all.
No, what I accused Tena of doing was providing so many small arguments in such a small space that nobody would have the ability to respond to it. You have to make sure your argument is sized so that people can take it in, that way people can properly examine, criticize, and possibly debunk it.
No. This is patently false - no-one has to do this and no-one should expect others to do this. This is, quite simply, arguing that because someone cannot be bothered to examine the arguments that they are bad arguments to be making.
Plus, if you bothered to actually look through said arguments, Tena regularly links back to the same six or so arguments. The only reason you think that she’s spamming them is because she regularly refers to those arguments when dealing with the same bunch of accusations over and over. At this point it’s not a case of ‘Tena has a lot of arguments to inflict against people’ it’s a case of ‘everyone attempts the same argument on her and this is her go-to response list’.
If you actually look back to the first time she used each individual argument she generally devoted a significant amount of time to explaining it - yet no-one bothered to counter or debunk, merely re-throw the same accusations her argument countered in the hope they might somehow stick the next time.
If there is any real accusation you can drop on Tena it’s that she’s been so jaded by these people flinging the same shit over and over that she’s become too quick on the draw for her go-to response post, resulting in it having been used against a few people it really didn’t seem to be all too applicable to. It’s also been used against the odd couple who have had more in depth complaints which would have been better served by a more personal and detailed response as the go-to didn’t really cover things well enough.
Secondly, I never once claimed that I couldn’t be wrong. I could be. Like I said before, everyone is biased, and I’m willing to admit that I am biased myself. I’m only human, after all. So what about you?
I’m not human, I identify as a lesser spotted wallamingo
I’m fully willing to accept my wrongness provided you actually prove me wrong. Just spewing hot air and claiming ‘you know nothing Jon Snow’ isn’t going to make me concede, no matter how much of it you use.
If you want me to concede that person X is a bad person then you’re going to have to provide evidence showing person X is a bad person over the majority of their time (or that the scale of bad things they’ve done is beyond question).
If you want me to concede that person X is a bad person and you show me one solitary example out of their entire life in which they were bad (and not even to any great scale) then, frankly, i’m not likely to accept it no matter how much you ram it in my face.
Thirdly, no, that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that believing that you’re always right regardless of what arguments are used against you is bullshit. That is the height of arrogance, to believe that you are so unequivocally correct that no argument, no matter how valid, sound, or true, will ever change your mind.
See above comment.
And finally, you’re resorting to personal attacks, which is against the site rules last time I checked, and kind of what I was talking about earlier about being a symptom of SJW-itis.
Please, if you think calling you a fucking idiot is a personal attack and against rules then fucking well report it. If you honestly think something someone did is against the rules then you either a) call a mod and see what they say or b) accept that you don’t, in fact, think it’s against the rules and are just blowing hot air.
