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Background Pony #5AB5
I think people are forgetting one thing. Last time Sombra didn’t quite have a physical form. The show writers said as much. Grogar brought him fully back.
Background Pony #69C8
Bro, the comics are a separate continuity from the animated media.
Any and all stories they did with Sombra in the comics no longer have a possibility to exist in the shows timeline.
 
yeah which is pretty sad considering the “version” they ended up coming with, hence what was said here:
 
@Background Pony #BD1B  
Comics are B canon so whatever the show comes up with tends to override the comics. That being said I find comic Sombra massively more interesting than the bland one the show came up with.
 
The new Sombra is too generic, too mainstream. He isn’t interesting and his characteristics come off as annoying as Prince Blueblood. But that’s just my opinion
Background Pony #596D
@Background Pony #EEF2
 
Comics are B canon so whatever the show comes up with tends to override the comics. That being said I find comic Sombra massively more interesting than the bland one the show came up with.
Background Pony #A629
@Background Pony #EEF2
 
Bro, the comics are a separate continuity from the animated media.
 
Any and all stories they did with Sombra in the comics no longer have a possibility to exist in the shows timeline.
Background Pony #69C8
@Background Pony #CD2A  
The comics for one. Unless you’re sticking to just the show, they did show him to be a ton more brooding, threatening and in all honesty, more evil. This show came up with “generic cartoon villain who is evil for the sake of being evil” and making him a pompous snob.
Background Pony #4014
@RaineV1  
Sadly they missed on the consistency and logic with sombra. Too much contradictions with his character.
Background Pony #29DA
@RaineV1  
“Okay, I have to comment on this statement. Expecting writers to give a damn about consistency in the universe they’re writing in when they’re trying to make more serious, adventure style episodes seems like it should be the bare minimum of expectations. If MLP was just random bits of slice of life with some magic involved then sure, whatever, do whatever works for the episode. But it’s not. They try to work in adventure and little bits of drama too. those should have some consistency to them. And every writer, regardless of what they’re writer, needs to put some thought into the canon of what they’re writing for, and ask why and how for their characters actions while expecting it to make some sense. I don’t care if it’s for kids or adults.”
 
Exactly what I’m getting at! The show can’t be perfect. It can’t. The writers have far too much of an established universe that they can’t find every small detail. So there’s bound to be mistakes and errors.
 
It’s the fact people put the show as being perfect, but undermining the flaws is what gets me. I will point out that the way they wrote and portrayed sombra felt like it wasn’t him at all, despite the only 2-3 episodes and minimum 10 minutes of footage, they only had very little to study to understand his character. The voice was off, he came out as a typical cookie-cutter villain, and they made him to be a smug, pompous rich-boy that has a heel-turn generic moment of “I won! I am powerful…oh no I lost! Impossible!! How can this be?!”
 
I’ll admit, he did take over almost flawlessly, except that it really did seem like a walk in the park with very little conflict.
RaineV1

@Background Pony #62B8  
>If you expect the writers to watch, study and engross themselves in every little detail of the show, you’re being pretty ignorant. Can’t make this show perfect because they’re on time constraints.
 
Okay, I have to comment on this statement. Expecting writers to give a damn about consistency in the universe they’re writing in when they’re trying to make more serious, adventure style episodes seems like it should be the bare minimum of expectations. If MLP was just random bits of slice of life with some magic involved then sure, whatever, do whatever works for the episode. But it’s not. They try to work in adventure and little bits of drama too. those should have some consistency to them. And every writer, regardless of what they’re writer, needs to put some thought into the canon of what they’re writing for, and ask why and how for their characters actions while expecting it to make some sense. I don’t care if it’s for kids or adults.
 
>Don’t like it? Don’t watch it.
 
How would they or anyone else know they don’t like the episode(s) if they don’t watch it/them?
Alex Wolf

Here is my theory, S3 the Crystsl Empire was weakened without the heart, Sombra too was more than likely in a very weakened state if he couldn’t hold a physical form for very long. So more than likely Grogar brought Sombra back at 100% power making him on par with with the Crystal Heart.
Background Pony #29DA
@detction
Don’t think you even close to understand what I was saying, so I’ll try this again.
“It took him an entire two episodes to even get into and weaken an already weak crystal empire last time.”
I wasn’t talking about those episode, I’m talking about when he took over it 1000 years ago before Celestia and Luna banished him. Therefore, yes he clearly did take over it completely by himself that FIRST time.
“He pulls these mind control helmets out of nowhere and overpowered the entire crystal guard by himself?”
Well…yeah that’s kinda how magic works. The only limits to magic is the mind. It’s a kid’s cartoon man, you’re trying waaaay to hard to put realism in this. Best move on.
There’s too little info on his initial rule of the Empire to have that substantiate an argument. Try again. The point stands that the difficulty in which he took over the empire in s3 compared to now is an inconsistent plot hole.
And the “Magic” and “Kid’s show” cards are not valid arguments. They don’t justify bad writing full of plot holes. There’s no reason Sombra should be able to single handedly overpower the entire empire. Tirek is the only villain who has ever been capable of actually conquering alone, and it was actually explained why.
Best move on if you have no argument bub.
 
 
Actually the “magic and kid’s show” is pretty valid considering this show is for the soul purpose of selling toys on the market.
 
Don’t like it? Don’t watch it. Pretty valid argument, but you can’t really justify it as not being so because that’s your opinion.
 
If you expect the writers to watch, study and engross themselves in every little detail of the show, you’re being pretty ignorant. Can’t make this show perfect because they’re on time constraints.
 
If you’re losing sleep over this, then I’m sorry. Clearly you’re taking it waaay to seriously and probably should tone it down. It’s getting embarrassing. Take a break, or do what I did years ago, stop watching.
 
I stopping watching the show at season 6, because it’s not that interesting to me anymore, and only here to see how awful they’ve messed up with sombra (which they did) because they made him a run of the mill cliché villain. I much prefer the comic’s sombra because he actually had a reason behind his outlash on the empire, and not just “grr I’m evil.”
 
But hey. Just a kid’s show. Sorry this is a difficult concept to grasp for you.
Paradox_Brony

Sunset is Best Girl
@detction
 
Try again, sounds like your the one triggered. Seriously read it again, I never said criticism isn’t valid and I never said the show was my favorite.
 
Honestly it’s amazing how easy it is to bait you people. Easy, but still fun. I’m not the type that gets triggered at this shit. It really doesn’t matter what kind of criticism people have of the show. Valid or otherwise I’m still enjoying myself.
 
If you’ve ever seen me comment in the past I’ve never stopped people from talking about overblown criticisms. I cheer those fuckers on. Please don’t ever stop. Even after the show ends this will never not be fun.
 
Again, Cheers for that.  
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@detction
Don’t think you even close to understand what I was saying, so I’ll try this again.
“It took him an entire two episodes to even get into and weaken an already weak crystal empire last time.”
I wasn’t talking about those episode, I’m talking about when he took over it 1000 years ago before Celestia and Luna banished him. Therefore, yes he clearly did take over it completely by himself that FIRST time.
“He pulls these mind control helmets out of nowhere and overpowered the entire crystal guard by himself?”
Well…yeah that’s kinda how magic works. The only limits to magic is the mind. It’s a kid’s cartoon man, you’re trying waaaay to hard to put realism in this. Best move on.
 
There’s too little info on his initial rule of the Empire to have that substantiate an argument. Try again. The point stands that the difficulty in which he took over the empire in s3 compared to now is an inconsistent plot hole.
 
And the “Magic” and “Kid’s show” cards are not valid arguments. They don’t justify bad writing full of plot holes. There’s no reason Sombra should be able to single handedly overpower the entire empire. Tirek is the only villain who has ever been capable of actually conquering alone, and it was actually explained why.  
Best move on if you have no argument bub.