Umm, no. Rarity did nothing wrong

I don’t know what you’re getting at

@Background Pony #7647  
My intention wasn’t to stur up drama at all, it didn’t even occur to me that this would even be a touchy subject as from my perspective, people in the fandom talk about character writing all the time, positively and not, it’s extremely common and I wanted to play off a common critique I see and make a joke from it. I don’t think saying the writers didn’t give Rarity enough to work with is controversial or unpopular at all. I like Rarity, she’s one of my favourites when written well. Though it’s no secret among fans that she can end up being the easiest character to be flanderised. Ironically you’re the one creating ‘drama’ as you so call it by viewing things that simply aren’t there in the original post. I made this image to be funny since Rarity is famously known to being turned into a cliche in some episodes and or/movie.
 
Also it’s not meant to be spiteful and is to say what’s happening in the image? Okay, so me being drunk isn’t spiteful and is being used properly? I don’t think so. Also especially doing it after a moderator told him not to mess with the tags I think sort of confirms that the point your making about the tags (which aren’t even the subject of this image and talking about them is just derailing the comments) is simply moot. My main issue and the reason I brought the tags up in my last comment wasn’t to point out that they were spiteful but it was to clarify to Steel that he shouldn’t be changing them after a moderator has already intervened and clarified what was right and wrong in relation to them. It’s already a closed case. The tags aren’t the subject matter here. If you want to comment do so on the image and subject matter of Equestria Girls. If my intent was to as you say ‘stir up drama’ I wouldn’t be secretive about my intent. You just have interpreted me wrongly.

@Background Pony #63D8  
You think those are spiteful? Tags are not about spite, they are about identifying what is happening in the image. If you post an image with the intent to stir up drama, or even one likely to cause drama, that’s what the intended use of those tags is. Trust me on this one, if you take things too personally you’ll have a bad time.
 
And you’re pretty much confirming that yes, you posted this image with the intent that exactly fits Op is a duck.
 
“Detailed description:  
The uploaded picture was meant to incite strong negative reactions or make unpopular statements for their own sake.”

@Steel Have you ever been to camp? You don’t change into the climbing gear until you’re literally about to climb, your point is as valid as saying “well why didn’t she sleep in climbing gear if she was so eager?”. The point isn’t that she can’t climb, it’s that she doesn’t have someone to spot her. So the point about how long they’ve all been waiting would only work if there were actually a line. Rarity generally isn’t very likeable in this film, every line she says is about fashion with no personality beyond it, and when she interacts with others it’s relatively self-centred. “no I won’t help you repair the dock because I’m trying to finish the project I set for myself so I’ll just sit here and watch as you work hard”. I think its a stretch to say she was anything close to even empathetic in this movie, let alone generous.
 
(Also next time you add spiteful tags I’ll just report it. The tagging system isn’t to verbalise your opinions. Stop vandalising.)

@Background Pony #0407  
True, it’s not. If Rainbow was so damned eager, she would have been in climbing gear already. And considering they were all in camp the same length of time, Rainbow was waiting exactly as long as Applejack and Rarity were, which makes her argument pointless.

@Steel
 
This isn’t really selfish, honestly.
 
 
@TheAntiCat
 
……… DontdothesongdontdothesongdontdothesongDONOTDOTHESON-
 
LET IT GOOOOOO!!! LET IT GOOOO!!
 
SON OF A yaaay.

@SJArt117  
Daily reminder she ditched her friend for a pony she just met simply because she was royalty and that she was made a bridesmaid.

@Jarkes
 
@Background Pony #4F4D  
I wouldn’t consider myself the most generous person in the world, and yet if I were going somewhere with a friend, and there was one thing they really wanted to do (a thing I’ve shown no real interest in myself) I would let them go first as it likely means more to them then me. Equally Rainbow Dash was rude at first but apologised straight away within the next sentence yet Rarity is rude throughout and no one cares like it’s just kind of expected. The Dock scene is far worse when Rarity says they’re not building it fast enough for her liking despite choosing not to help them at all.

@Background Pony #4F4D
 
But why point out the actual context when you can just go “lul hypocrisy” and “lul one-note”.

If I remember this scene correctly Dash started whining because Rarity wasn’t going fast enough for her liking. So yea I’m on Rarity’s side here, Dash needs to learn some patience.

@Background Pony #9425  
Repeating what the show tells us to think?

@Steel  
Yet when RD does something like this, the fandom cries and shits it’s pants over how awful she is. Somebody want to explain this double standard crap to me?

@Zeb
 
Good looking out, Zeb. And no, I think we’ve exhausted the discussion.

@Background Pony #63D8  
@Steel  
Alright, both of you cease altering the tags, as well as take your discussion to PMs or the forums if you wish to continue it.  
And if you see someone continuing to alter tags on an image that you feel is inappropriate, please report the image instead of continuously changing them yourself.

@Background Pony #63D8  
The common theme here is opinion. Not everyone wants to see yours, thus the tags. It’s the same reason people filter fetishes or the like. It’s great that you want to share, and some people don’t mind. Hell, the fact that you have more positive votes than negative should tell you people actually agree with you. But that doesn’t mean everyone will, or will even want to see it to decide if they agree. You removing the tags is being disrespectful to the people who use them to avoid things like this, and that the mods will have a problem with.

@Steel  
That’s just silly, it’s not enforcing an opinion, it’s a joke, it’s no more or less of an opinion enforcement then any joke about the show. It’s not even about sharing a viewpoint it’s about comedy from a point of self-deprecation, watch any form of humour and you’ll see this exact same type of humour being used (even in the actual MLP!). Arguing that it is sharing a viewpoint is again making an assumption about my intention and equally turning a blind eye to extremely similar pieces of comedy used both by fans and cannon alike. If I actually wanted to make a point about this rather then showcase a scene that takes place and then reference a song that exists then I would have taken it to the MLP forums. If others want to comment on the image and talk about the show then that’s their free will but actively warping the intent and function of the image macro is both misleading and silly beyond measurement. It’s not art, it’s a image macro, it’s as much a one as any made about the show, all the sexual ones seem to be fine, same with the spongebob quotes but implicate for a second that contrasts exist within the show and then you’re a duck. Is this really the precedence worth setting on this site? It’s just such a childish prospective to have. Surely this is the type of thing the episode ‘the cutie map’ was arguing against? this implication that we all have to be within complete unity or else we should be removed or labelled etc. It’s a shame that people aren’t learning from the morals in the show. If that’s the type of site actually is then I have things to rethink.

@Background Pony #63D8  

 
Trust me on this one, I tried fighting this fight, it doesn’t work. I get that you didn’t intend drama, you wanted a share a viewpoint. Fine, good, except some people don’t wish to see opinion pieces. If you keep removing them, eventually a mod will come along and enforce them, then you have issues with them.
 
I even tried pointing out how insulting the tags look, no dice, the site staff only care about functionality of a tag.
 
I don’t mind having a conversation, but tags should be added correctly. This is not art, it’s just you sharing your opinion in picture form. It’s allowed to be here, but not everyone wants to see that, thus the need for tags.

@Steel  
You can’t work on a spin-off and hope people have seen the original content. Spin-offs by their definition are meant to work beyond the source material, especially something like EqG which is set within its own universe. This isn’t a reasoned argument that anyone would accept if it wasn’t a beloved franchise. Writing isn’t just a matter of being creative with words on a page, there’s an actual craft to it, suggesting that the characters within such a film don’t need to be established means you either agree with me that it’s bad writing or you forgive it because it’s MLP. In fact you even seem to be going further then I am, I’m merely saying Rarity as a character has no personality, you’re the one saying all of them have no personalities beyond Sunset and Twilight, which I disagree.
 
Again, like I said in my last comment, you can have entire personalities established within 5 minutes of screentime. They’ve had 4 movies to give Rarity a personality. Big Hero Six is focused on Baymax and Hiro but every other character is still established. You’re not countering the point, rather you’re acknowledging what I’m saying is true but rather you don’t personally mind it which is fine but it doesn’t interfere or alter anything I’ve said so making such a point seems pointless.
 
Yes she is, the fact that within 40 minutes of a movie she doesn’t have a single line that isn’t exposition or fashion is the very definition of not having a personality.
 
I removed the tags because they’re wrong. It’s that simple. The image is meant to be funny to people who can laugh at the show and have a sense of humour about it’s flaws, maybe that’s you maybe it’s not I don’t know but that’s who it’s for - It’s not to be controversial or dramatic or anything, it’s a simple joke to people who find these kind of things funny, saying otherwise would be saying you understand my intent better then I do. I like the show ultimately and I actually really like EqG, I think it’s got a lot of good things going for it and I think the art in the last film was extremely impressive in comparison to the first, they’ve really up’d their game. Referring to something intended to be taken lightly for humour sake as ‘drama’ or ‘drama bait’ or ‘op is trying to start shit’ is just flat out wrong and misleading. A discussion isn’t drama, it’s a discussion about the show, sure it’s pointless but so are all discussions about most if not all shows are. If you really think this is pointless drama then I really have no idea as to why you are replying as I wouldn’t if that is how I viewed it, but it isn’t how I view it because I believe people can talk with different opinions without it being drama. I actually hate the idea that disagreeing on opinions today is considered drama. If I were uncivil then sure it’s drama but it’s entirely civil discussion, at no point have I tried to attack you or anyone personally. The fact that people want to take something like civil discussion of people with opposing opinions and then sensationalise it as ‘drama’ ultimately disappoints me as it suggests we can only agree otherwise there’s the drama buzzword. The post isn’t drama nor is the discussion, if you think it is then I have no interest in continuing to talk to you as I was mislead to believe we were discussing something.

@Background Pony #63D8  

 
Not really. I’m saying that EQG Rarity has logically not had the same experiences yet they treat each of these characters as if they are the pony counterpart. The movie writers are basically counting on you being aware of the pony personalities enough that they don’t feel the need to establish what these hairless monkeys are actually like. The Humane Five are all caricatures, with only brief moments of standout material that helps us get to know them as characters of their own.
 
The screentime and development has all been spent on Twilight and Scitwi, Sunset Shimmer, and whichever boytoy Hasbro threw in there for no apparent reason.
 
Regardless, shallow as EQG Rarity is, she is not bereft of character just because she happens to be obsessed with her hobby. And failing to step aside is not a character flaw either.
 
Edit: BTW, don’t remove those tags. They are there so that people who wish to avoid pointless drama posts don’t have them show up in their feed. Nothing about them is intended as an insult to you personally.

@Steel  
You’re saying that she’s not had the same experiences but before you said that they don’t need to establish characters that have already been established so your point seems to have entirely flipped. However I do agree that she has had different experiences but even a child of 6 years old has a personality of some sort, she’s had enough experiences to have a distinct personality in some sense or another. Big Hero Six established it’s main cast and villains within one movie, each distinctive and clear so it’s just odd to me that EqG can’t do it in 4 films. I’d disagree that all the character in EqG lack personalities, I think each of them is actually quite clear except for Rarity. Going through Legends of Everfree I could find lines that showcased the others personalities in some sense or another whilst with Rarity it’s just exposition or fashion, I feel the writers believe that a hobby can be substitute for a personality when in reality it can’t. They don’t have to be leading the movie, I can think of examples of characters in other mediums that have 5 minutes of screen time if that and yet still have a personality.
 
@northern haste  
@FSin  
The issue with the writing isn’t that they are not being their element but rather Rarity’s human counterpart doesn’t have a personality. Rainbow Dash in Film 2 wasn’t loyal at times but it worked with her personality type, it made sense as to why she was acting that way as her character had already been established whilst Rarity does it for the sake of exposition, there’s never any actual justification in relation to her personality given. Although the problem exists in more then one film for the sake of making the point easier to understand we can look at the most recent Legends of Everfree. I went through the film trying to prove myself wrong but her lines are either fashion or exposition. We all have hobbies, some become careers but they’re not our entire personality.

@Background Pony #63D8  
To be frank… Rarity in EQG hasn’t had the experiences that her pony self has had. She does not get the character building moments because she is not the same character, yet she is presented as the same. Complaining about her characterization being shallow is a bit pointless, because all five of them are somewhat shallow. The only ones to get real development are Twilight v1.0 and Shimmer.

Because the characters always show their elements 100 percent of the time

@Background Pony #63D8  
How is it bad character writing? Bad character writing would be if they were constantly bound to only be their elements. That would limit their characters a hell of a lot. And it’s been shown before that they haven’t lived up fully to their elements before. Rainbow Dash has been disloyal a lot throughout the whole series, Fluttershy has been angry before, Applejack has stretched the truth, Pinkie’s been sad, Rarity has been greedy and Twilight has often considered science over magic. They can stray from the concept of the elements, but as long as they show them when they’re important is what matters.

@Steel  
What’s realistic about talking about fashion or exposition for 40 minutes of film time? nothing. - It’s not even like she wasn’t given enough lines either, she had more then Fluttershy and Pinkie Pie but unlike them she has no personality. Not having a personality is the exact opposite of real. I mean can you actually explain in detail what her personality is with clear references to the actual films excluding the word ‘fashion’ and any information gained from the ponyverse? I don’t understand why you can’t make a clear observation about a flaw in the writing and people act like you’ve attacked their queen. Surely we should all want to see good writing in all forms of content? If any character in any film only talked about their hobby and exposition 40 mins in showcasing no personality beyond that hobby then I’d consider it bad writing and you probably would as well. Don’t let bias get in the way of that.
 
All they needed to do is interchange one of her 80 lines about fashion and add a reference to something that showcases her personality. It isn’t hard and they seem to do it for everyone else.
 
@Chilly Pepper  
I wouldn’t consider myself the most generous person in the world, and yet if I were going somewhere with a friend, and there was one thing they really wanted to do (a thing I’ve shown no real interest in myself) I would let them go first as it likely means more to them then me.  
Equally in the film it isn’t the only time she shows no caring element towards her friends. I’d say it’s rarer to find a moment when she’s actually being civil to her friends then when she is not.  
film shows her friends working hard to rebuild the dock  
Rainbow Dash: You gonna give us a hand here, Rarity?  
Rarity: Oh, I’d love to, but I really need to get the stitching on this poncho done if it’s going to make it into the camp fashion show. Though at the pace you two are moving, I don’t know that the runway will ever be finished!
 
@TheAntiCat  
Yeah, how dare people discuss the show within a civil manner! Stop it at once!