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This looks like an unedited version of this episode.
I’m still annoyed that they gave in and changed it. I have strabismus, too. I loved the original airing of the episode.
I just wish the original episode had her higher pitched voice.
Eh. She made later appearances, and it’s good enough for me.
Edited
I agree.
Guys just enjoy the adoraderpy :3
At least take this beat to death shit to the forums.
Honestly, that would tell you more about the kids themselves than the episode.
Really, any parent that concerned about the “message” had just better not let their kids watch anything without their supervision. The scene in question is so far from being the kind of insanity that shows up in other cartoons, it’s hardly even worth talking about. Lately I’ve been sampling Teen Titans Go!, which is dripping with cynicism, stupidity, narcissism, compulsive behavior, terrible friendships, cheating, abuse, betrayal, and all manner of other such nonsense. The “message” found in FIM is so incredibly tame by comparison, you’d have to be crazy to think that there was anything really damaging about Derpy’s moment in TLR. Kids get much worse stuff even out of school than that.
@Background Pony #3C09
Oh please. It’s like you don’t understand cartoon humor at all. The illogical nature of the damage Derpy did is the whole point. That is the joke. What horrible lesson do you think is going to corrupt the poor impressionable youths due to that?
>there was no opposition to her anger
That is what I’m trying to tell you, there almost NEVER is. Dash recently attempted to sabotage the health of all of Ponyville by trying to stop winter itself; she could have gotten someone hurt at the factory in Cloudsdale; and who knows how much all her destruction might have cost everyone monetarily. But she didn’t get so much as a slap on the wrist for it. I swear, it’s like we’re not even watching the same show.
>some people act like it’s bad to consider the issue at all
First of all, I have never acted that way at all. I am simply maintaining that every argument I’ve heard thus far in favor of the censorship and alterations is utterly harebrained.
>that an artistic work shouldn’t be criticized for any messages it might send
And this is the kind of bogus nonsense that really gets us nowhere. Your criticism of “message” only pertains to politically correct mumbo jumbo. There are more “messages” in television that I disagree with than I can possibly count. But I bet you wouldn’t appreciate it if I went around trying to get your favorite stuff changed because I didn’t like the “message”.
That’s why it doesn’t make sense. It was framed as another example of her being so stupid that she’s a danger to everyone and everything around her, like all the destruction she accidentally caused, even though it couldn’t logically be blamed on her.
There’s a difference between a character who messes up because they follow a train of faulty logic and don’t think their ideas through all the way, and a character who randomly destroys things for no reason other than sheer stupidity. Derpy wasn’t portrayed as someone who made a mistake, she was portrayed as a living, breathing disaster.
She wasn’t shown to be in the wrong, though. Granted, she wasn’t specifically said to be right, but there was no opposition to her anger; nobody had any positive interaction with Derpy.
You did not say that the opposition was “lame”. You extensively bashed and dehumanized them for no reason more specific than that they judged a cartoon; only in your most recent posts did you change the subject to whether the message itself was bad, rather than attacking the basic idea that a message could be bad while slinging insults at anyone who thought it could.
That last part is the big problem here. Was the Derpy scene a negative portrayal? That’s debatable. There are reasons why people might think it was, and there are reasons why people might think it wasn’t. But some people act like it’s bad to consider the issue at all, that an artistic work shouldn’t be criticized for any messages it might send. That’s an entirely different issue, one that serves only to detract from discussions and set people against each other.
You know what I would like to see? Some brief Q&A sessions with kids who’ve seen the original version of “The Last Roundup”. Ask them what they think of Dash and Derpy and how they acted. Heck, even throw in a control group of kids who’ve seen the edited version. If we’re going to argue over how the target audience interprets a scene, it’d be nice to actually hear from them.
As PonyPon said, that is not how the situation was portrayed. Derpy broke the floor just by sitting on it, not with the sheer force of her stupidity. And even if it WAS because she was dumb, it would be perfectly normal in a cartoon for someone to mess stuff up because they’re not very bright. That is precisely what happened with the ursa minor. The vast majority of idiots in cartoons are guys though, so maybe that’s why it seems strange to you. And as I already pointed out, Rainbow’s treatment of Derpy was completely normal. In case you haven’t noticed, Rainbow gets away with a TON of really asinine stuff.
And another thing.
>most defenders of the scene don’t actually want to discuss the issue
That is literally what I just did. I didn’t just state that the opposition was lame, I said exactly why it’s lame.
Stupidity? I thought she was clumsy. And Rainbow didn’t seem like she hated her.
What about the fact that her entire portrayal consisted of destroying everything around her due to her incredible stupidity? Or that the only interaction anyone had with her was to hate her for being destructive? Or that the destruction she supposedly caused is too severe to be plausibly blamed on her (such as when she broke a hole in the floor by sitting on it), but is still presented as her fault?
The larger problem, however, is that most defenders of the scene don’t actually want to discuss the issue. Rather than explaining why it isn’t actually insulting, they prefer to attack the entire concept of judging a show’s message, and to hate, mock, bully, and dehumanize those who talk or think about such things. The issue wouldn’t be nearly as nasty as it is if it were a debate between “yes, it sends a harmful message” and “no, it doesn’t”, rather than between “yes, it sends a harmful message” and “it’s worthless and evil to discuss the show’s message, and you’re less than human if you try to do so”.
>extraordinarily negative and mean-spirited
No, it wasn’t. 99% of the fans at the time knew that it was perfectly ordinary for Dash to react that way. It would be strange for her NOT to do so. In no way can anything in that scene be interpreted as an encouragement or endorsement of mistreating anyone.
People can be offended by anything they want at any time. That does NOT entitle them to be taken seriously. The folks behind the show obviously intended no harm, and the offend-a-trons who complained in bad faith were being ridiculous at best. “Harmful message,” my foot, what nauseating dreck.
Derpy’s portrayal in the episode was extraordinarily negative and mean-spirited. It’s easy to see why it would be interpreted as a harmful message. The defenders are mostly people who want people to never discuss or think about the messages that art might contain, or about others’ feelings, an opinion which the show itself definitely doesn’t share.
There’s a reason why I used the quotations marks; I was directly quoting the comment I was replying to, not expressing my own opinion. Though I suspect there were a few overly-sensitive parents who complained, I expect it was largely the experienced outragists who sent letters and emails and made phone calls and blog posts.
I don’t think “fussy parents” have anything to do with it. Dopes parading the phrase “ableist” around are mostly young social-science majoring college nitwits.
I wish more people realized this, rather than claiming her eyes were edited to be normal.
@Jarkes
My understanding is that the later printings of the DVD do have the edited episode, though I can’t confirm. Though I will mention that the edited version does have the shot looking up from RD’s POV at Derpy sticking her head in the hole, and neither version shows her falling in, just another piece of wood.
@Twilight_Shimmer
Keep in mind that the “fussy parents” were satisfied with her new voice.
@Jarkes
Actually, I also get annoyed or even angry with those fans, but they don’t alter my affection for Derpy.
@Jarkes
@Millennial Dan
I’m sure there are people who do say the edits ruined the show, even to the point of saying they changed one of the best episodes to the worst episode, but they aren’t very common, just very vocal.
That’s what we call “making a statement”. It’s not that they’re saying the episode is bad or anything, but it’s a rejection of the edit.
I have literally seen people put the unedited version of the episode on their best episodes list and the edited version on their worst episodes list.
“parents”
She was just trying to help.
The edits may not have “ruined” the episode, but they did suck. Screw political correctness.