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magical clones that didn’t know any better because they were literally born like an hour ago, that could think, feel, and learn, and are entirely capable of learning better and living lives. in a world where everything else is magical and actual by-definition monsters like discord and starlight glimmer are set free and given a chance because friendship, or something.
I’ve had it happen to me numerous times.
One specific situation was where said bully was a “harmless little girl” and the teacher ate up her acting like candy. I was a long haired boy, so I obviously meant trouble, so she forcibly stuck me in the same area as the bully “to prove I was a nice boy”. Said little girl would tear up things in her desk and blame it on me, not do work “because I was distracting her”, break her school supplies and more all the while giving me this toothy smile and saying “Oh look what you did” and the teacher believed her every single time and I got in trouble every single time. No amount of “BUT I SERIOUSLY WASN’T DOING ANYTHING!” was believed. I was 9, but the girl was 11 because she’d been flunked twice by a different teacher for being a misbehaving little monster.
How about another situation a few years down the road where I was being physically assaulted in school every day. It wasn’t taken seriously and I was pummeled on, hair ripped out, constantly name called, even stabbed with sewing needles. I could tell a teacher, but that did nothing but make the bullying get worse because “it was more fun to do it behind the teachers back”. One of the faceless goons who beat on me got a beating of his own when my friend caught him after school and beat the tar out of him. However, in response, said goon came back with his older gang brother and his goon friend later and my friend got knifed for sticking up for me.
This all happened before the now legendary columbine school shooting, by the way, and it was this sort of bullying that resulted in the mentally deranged backlash of “needing” to go into a school armed with weaponry and killing everyone.
So don’t anyone tell ME that telling an adult works, because I can tell you first hand it doesn’t.
“Turning it into “tell an adult” usually never works IRL as the bully will be an angel until the adult turns around and then you get bullied for being a snitch on top of everything else”
Wrong.Childrens are pretty bad liars and usually spill the beans.
@DanielTepesKraus
those were magical clones/reflections of a mirror aka not real being jesus f*ing christ it’s MLP not Robot Chicken
to be totally honest, a plotline where a bunch of people turn into hippies and ostracize a soldier is a wee bit too big for a cartoon’s britches. it would be like if a cartoon tried to have an episode about euthanasia or something.
obligatory reminder that too many pinkie pies was already too uncomfortably close to being about euthanasia, since it basically involved a bunch of child-minded people being obliterated for being mentally impaired
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Aye. To Change a Changeling’s initial moral was “just because you don’t want to fight doesn’t mean you shouldn’t defend yourself”, but it ALSO covered the trauma of a soldier who “can never go home” since he’s still in his militaristic ways and can’t understand the easygoing nature of everyone else around him.
Him dumping the black paint on the changeling may have been a nod to the fandom, but do you know what else it’s a nod to?
I see a red door and I want it painted black
No colors anymore I want them to turn black
I see the girls walk by dressed in their summer clothes
I have to turn my head until my darkness goes
Paint it Black - The Rolling Stones. A song about a guy coming back from ’Nam and finding it impossible to do so as everything just reverts to the mindset of needing to be on the battlefield.
my biggest issue with it really is the way they tried to act like standing up for yourself was wrong. tons of episodes end without guilty characters getting any comeuppance (boast busters, every spike episode ever, tanks for the memories, wonderbolts academy). it happens. but when they give really bad advice on something as serious and sensitive as bullying i take genuine issue with it.
however, i do kind of have a theory. look at the way that episode ends: with applejack doing nothing and babs repelling the bullies by standing up to them. i wonder if maybe the crew felt standing up for yourself was the right thing to do, but they weren’t allowed to say it. maybe they didn’t want to imply they were encouraging kids to fight or maybe they directly were told they couldn’t depict it. so they bluntly told the moral of “tell an adult”, but then showed that standing up for yourself wasn’t a bad thing to do either. then if any soccer moms got upset that “ponies told little rebecca to fight against sylvia at school” the cast and crew could reply “but the moral of the episode was don’t fight back!”
they’ve done sneaky stuff like that before, and the cast and crew have long-established themselves as being intelligent and often daring writers.
No I get you. Babs Seed’s biggest sin was that Babs should have been humiliated, just like everything was planning to do to her and she should have faced punishment for the bullying she did. Turning it into “tell an adult” usually never works IRL as the bully will be an angel until the adult turns around and then you get bullied for being a snitch on top of everything else, but would have worked if she had been humiliated as it also is a stealth warning that “if you bully, those you bully will eventually bite back”. But, no. Babs does cruel things to the CMC all episode, the CMC abandon the revenge due to an offhand remark, and the CMC gets humiliated in place of Babs while Babs gets off completely free with no punishment for her inexcusable behavior.
mmdw and says at least had a plot. no matter how flawed anyone may feel they were, it was at least a setup, a plot, and a payoff.
princess spike begins with spike going mental trying to keep things quiet for twilight sparkle. then it forgets all about this and goes into him soliciting gifts from ponies. then all hell breaks loose because of the stuff he did to keep things quiet for twilight. then it ends with the out-of-nowhere lesson of “when we all do our bit part everything works out in the end”.
problems: spike did his bit part. spike doing his “bit part” is what caused the consequences to happen. the pony who told him that lesson was one of the chucklefucks who was directly responsible for preventing spike from doing his bit part. why didn’t said ponies suffer consequences for preventing spike from doing his bit part? spike had that job dumped on him by someone else and didn’t deserve the consequences to begin with. why did twilight not stand up for spike? why didn’t twilight, who’s established character trait since season one is ‘planning ahead’, manage to plan ahead to allow herself time for sleep? the episode implies spike is wrong for indulging; in a world where everything is handed to the royalty on a silver platter the son/brother of royalty, personal friend to the ruler, and hero of the crystal empire is not deserving of some indulgence? why did such actions go without consequence if they were implied to be bad? why wasn’t the moral ‘sometimes you simply can’t succeed but you did your best and that’s okay’, which was in-line with what went on?
to put it a different way, all “bad” episodes have redeeming qualities in my eyes. mmdw pissed a lot of people off with it’s payoff, but overall it had some good parts to it. one bad apple had a terrible moral, easily the worst in the entire series, but overall was a pretty fun episode and introduced babs seed. feeling pinkie keen had the whole “reject science embrace ignorance” moral, but was otherwise a good episode. says was the same shitty “dogpile on the spike for 22 minutes” plot and made spike retarded for some reason, but at least it had a proper setup, plot, and payoff. wonderbolts academy completely pooches military culture and doesn’t blame 86% of the people at fault for the tornado incident, but damned if we didn’t finally get a “dashie is a wonderbolt” episode. princess spike is just this sort of amalgamate of unrelated plots and events, like it was literally made of all the leftover spike gags they hadn’t been able to fit into other episodes, and i seriously can not think of a single redeeming part of it. it is seriously the one episode i actually regret watching; i’m actually angry i wasted 22 minutes of my finite lifespan on it.
Princess Spike was just… weird. Spike gets the whole “oh, I have the authority of the princess so I can do what I want”, but that lasts for all of about three minutes. He’s set straight VERY quickly by Cadance and feels ashamed of it to the point he knuckles down on his job of “NOTHING disrupts Twilight”.
Commence a bunch of things ONLY a 4th wall observer would see going wrong in a grand chain of events… and then Spike getting blamed for it.
WHAT?
I think the only ones more reviled by the fandom are Mysterious Mare Do Well and Spike at your Service.
they’ve been getting better with spike since after princess spike aired i think. i mean, even they admitted the whole spikeabuse routine was getting old after a pretty fair amount of backlash on twitter:
your current filter.particularly after this tweet:
your current filter.a lot of people pointed out that “yeah, that’s just you.” i mean a lot of people. like, a stupid amount of people. i mean, when an episode that follows the standard format for any one character goes on to become the most reviled episode in the entire show’s run (and the one episode of the entire series, in my opinion, that has absolutely zero redeeming qualities), there’s probably something wrong with that format.
Right, the turn around was actually when Starlight Glimmer joined the mane cast and suddenly, Spike the deadpan realist was brought back. He knew what the right thing to do was, he knew how to keep your head on, and his chemistry with Starlight was astounding to the point that the writers seemed to remember what he was all about. They cemented this with Gauntlet of fire; a situation he could walk from, but only he could fix, and he did. He saved Ember, he showed her the value of teamwork and friendship, and ensured the dragon ruler was kind and not vengeful.
His greatest moment was actually in an episode that should have been a two parter for how significant it was; The Times are a Changeling. We know Spike has a natural drive towards greed and self serving; a vice he fights with. He loves his popularity in the crystal empire, but then he meets a new situation with Thorax; someone not too unlike him. Thorax is different, shy, and needs assistance because he’s not evil but everyone feels his species is an instant threat (with good reason). When it comes crunch time, Spike at first abandons Thorax to keep his fame and status as a hero of the empire, but he instantly regrets it and sets out to prove Thorax is in fact kind and he’d rather have his friendship than the fame of the empire.
This is no small step as Shining Armor is as merciless as can be when it comes to changelings, but Spike makes a very harsh admittance in the middle of the song; Thorax is the only one in the crystal empire who likes Spike for who he is, not the titles he was given. He very willingly throws that away, but also risks becoming labeled an accomplice to an enemy of the empire, potentially losing all of his friends along the way.
Spike showed no small amount of courage in doing that and his decision, in the long run, prevented Chrysalis from completely usurping all of the high ranking places in equestria.
Oh, and in the movie, they used the slightly higher rating to show that if something gets between his friends and him, he has zero qualms lighting a foe on fire.
once though, all the way back in season one. typically they play injuries fairly straight.
besides, they actually have gotten a lot better with spike lately since they actually started writing him as a character so i’m not complaining anymore.
You make it sound as if Spike is the only one who’s been clumsy, didn’t know what he was doing, or the butt of physical comedy humor in the entire show. Every character has been guilty of that. Twilight had the physical harm way worse in “Feeling Pinkie-Keen.”
that’s honestly how they could make “spikeabuse” funny, if even only for a little while. it’s totally mean spirited they way they treated the little guy, yeah, but honestly my biggest gripe with it always has been that it’s just not funny. a thing happens, something lands on him, repeat ad-nauseam for 22 minutes, he learns an undeserved lesson.
Playing up the indestructible nature wouldn’t be hard to do in a serious way.
Have a scene where our beloved Spike shoves a hero pony out of the way to take the hit himself.
[kaboomdustcloudofsurefiredoom ensues]
Dust clears and Spike is alive and well, but maybe knocked on his butt/back, but otherwise not showing a mark on him and they exclaim their surprise before Spike reminds them, “thick scales.”
He honestly hasn’t had a serious mark on him, any “injuries” he’s had being single shot gags, despite the abuse he’s suffered.
Twilight was in traction, RD was hospitalized, Big Mac had a rib injury, they even played up that Twilight rather severely hurt Star Tracker when she smashed his hoof.
it would at least have comedic payoff.
But I bet if they did that, some angry fans would still shout things like, “SPIKEBUSE!”
just once i want them to do a “spike is actually invincible” gag. say, he gets hit with a massive fireball, there’s a huge explosion, and when the smoke clears spike’s standing there unflinched with an undamaged “shadow” on the otherwise destroyed scenery around him, or something.
I stress that the most dangerous thing that happened to ponyville was spike going on his rampage since there was nothing that would have been able to stop him if he was actually malicious and not just hoarding stuff.
Even once he was a “teen” dragon, everything he had was amplified and once he was at the point he was yelling “Spike want”, he was able to jog/walk through a solid oak wall.
As for heat resistance, many times they showcase lava being so hot, it runs like water, which is an insane heat that most visible lava is nowhere close to.
honestly, i can’t help but reflect on how much of a sheer bad-ass spike really is from reading that. able to blow hot enough fire to heat iron to 2,800 degrees in under a second, able to exert enough pressure to effortlessly shatter gems with his jaws, heat-resistant enough to swim in molten lava, strong enough to swim through something as heavy and dense as molten rock, clearly capable of casually using forms of magic, and physically and emotionally strong enough to not just survive, but thrive under the physical and emotional abuse inflicted upon him by the universe and his caretakers?
people gush over how hot of shit the alicorn princesses are, when they’ve clearly established a baby dragon as being more powerful than they are. honestly all of equestria’s pretty damned lucky spike’s such an easygoing forgiving pacifist because he could probably raze the kingdom to the ground without anyone stopping him.
Well, it’s subjective whether it’s a bad episode, or not. It’s not my favorite episode, but I enjoyed it regardless.
For that matter, I actually liked alot of unpopular episodes, even “Mare Do-Well,” and “Spike at Your Service.” Even other mediocre episodes, still had some entertaining parts for me.
Meanwhile, the only two episodes in the entire series I flat out disliked (to the point I can’t even rewatch them) “Scare Master,” & “Pony Point of View” are episodes that nobody else takes issue with. (Though, I did like salty sailor AJ. lol)
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Equestria Games was a bad episode that I don’t like. By pointing this out, it’s saying that the one good thing that happened was still not done right, thus all of it is bad with no redeeming qualities.
And ye, i’m a nerd.
Boy, you’re a nerd… Errr… No offense. ;)
I suppose you have some points, and some interesting scientific theories on the subject, but might be overthinking it a tiny bit.
Also, the episode seemed to of came out before they started designating dragons with unique different color fire. I just chalk it up to to a continuity oversight, or as stated fire changes color if hot enough. It’s not something I would let ruin a whole episode over, or lose sleep over.
@Beau Skunky
I actually did the math regarding Spike’s personal stats:
Spike’s jaw pressure can casually shatter items rating 9 on the Moh’s scale. For reference, that is the rating of Ruby and Sapphire. Diamond is 10.
The pressure needed to crack either ruby or sapphire is roughly around 4,351 PSI. That’s just to CRACK the gemstone, that’s not what is required to break it, much less grind it into a fine powder.
For comparison, a 12 foot long Nile Crocodile’s max bite force is clocked in at 5,000 PSI At this pressure, broken teeth and jaw damage is highly likely. Spike is less than two feet tall and exhibits close to that bite force CASUALLY with no damage to his teeth or jaws.
Spike’s fire also is in excess of temperatures of 2,800 degrees F/1,538 degrees C, strong enough to melt iron in less than a second.
He achieved this flame power without it changing color and there was just never any moment ever in the series it was ever different, other than the dreamspot which was supposed to be extremely incorrect.
And now, with Ember, we’re starting to see dragons as having color coded flames, just like color coded magic.
your current filter.
your current filter.Yeah, I mentioned that, so frankly it doesn’t look that strange to me. Logically fire CAN change color.
Logic in a show about magical cute tiny chubby horses? Wowsers!