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Goodwins Law. Not everypony is Hitler.
@Background Pony #F8DF
No, she just got carried away a little bit.
@PaskaNaakka
Exactly. She could not see that coming.@Background Pony #287D
This.
Spitfire encouraged her all the time. As soon as something went wrong she publicly humiliated her and kicked her out without even a warning.
@RyuSpike
Or she didn´t see the balloon and the fall at all.
@ALIS
Of course she was at fault. She encouraged Lightning all the time instead of correcting her behaviour early. Then she made a humiliating spectacle out of Lightnings expulsion to distract from her failure. The least she could have done is to give Lightning a warning and a second chance.
@ALIS
The tornado didnt´t hit any cadets and the Wonderbolt Academy is a RESTRICTED AREA.
Everything we identify as a mistake prior to the Tornado she had ponies either praise her for or agree that there was no problem. Seriously, Dash folded like Fluttershy over both her wing injury and her objection to ramming the other cadets. If everyone is saying that you’re doing the correct thing and no-one is really complaining… how are you supposed to know you’re making these mistakes?
Based on her actions alone LD deserved serious reprimanding, this is true. But her actions in context are clearly a case of her essentially being told that ‘being reckless / pushing further and further = better chance of being a wonderbolt’. Hell, even Dash falls for that when Spitfires words are what makes her agree to the tornado plan.
Where LD went too far was with her speech after the accident - to which people find the most objectional part being her seeming indifference to the fact ponies could have been hurt…
Wait, what? People find this massively objectionable? When there are several examples of ponies apparently not giving a shit about pony safety provided everyone survived - so why is is such a massive crime for LD to behave the same way?
What should be objectionable is that LD never acknowledges that it was her fault for trying the tornado when there was no need to do so. Even then though Spitfire comes across as if she would have praised LD for it if RD hadn’t chewed her out over the issue.
Seriously. What is the moral of this episode anyway? Because all i got out of it was ‘Your boss doesn’t give a shit about any of you.’
I mean shit, she praised Dust for her recklessness with the dizzitron when she should have taken her (lightly) to task over her attitude.
She not only ignored Dash’s obvious wing injury but even appeared to have an anti-speaking out stance when Dash looked like she might have complained. Even the most hardass of drill instructors isn’t going to actually expect their cadets to, say, march on broken legs - but this is seemingly what Spitfire expected of Dash and her injury.
And then we have the obstacle race which… Spitfire apparently wasn’t even watching given Dust and Dash made their move in plain sight while Spitfire blamed the other cadets for being poor fliers anyway.
Seriously, on just these alone you have an officer/instructor who encourages reckless and dangerous actions, ignores potentially serious injuries, and is evidenced as not even bothering to pay attention to her cadets.
I’m pretty sure that any formal investigation would have had Spitfire on reprimand, if not demoted, herself as well as whatever punishment got laid on Dust.
The training exercise WAS being watched by one of the trainers there, who was busy keeping score on the board - apparently he just didn’t tell Spitfire what had happened before Dash got there to bitch about it first. I don’t know why none of them noticed when they completely cut off the other guys in the previous exercise but eh.
Lightning Dust is a cunt that needs a punt.
I…don’t see, other than Dash reporting the violations of conduct, what she did wrong to deserve the macro creator’s ire. I do somewhat blame LD, but I think had Spitfire actually seen/cared about the risky pass LD had made during the obstacle course, Miss Dust would have been chewed out at a point where she wouldn’t have had to been kicked out (because, as a cadet, she did not hold rank, with ‘lead pony’ being a job, she could not be ‘demoted.’ That’s how the military works, people.) Spitfire was written as inattentive, and that brushed me the wrong way…somepony of her stature in the military should have kept a better eye on her student flyers. Maybe this was her first batch of cadets or something, but I think she might have gotten a dressing down as well from her superiors.
I know we want a good ending for many of the ponies, but, deserved or not, Dust got the boot because brass felt she screwed up. that doesn’t mean she has to become a vengeful monster (nee Trixie.) I think that, if she can channel the anger into, perhaps, starting a solo display or going racing, she can have a good non-military career. Besides…she became outright arrogant at the point she thought she could clear the sky with only two ponies controlling a tornado. That’s not someone you want inches away from you at 400 kts…or in charge of a squadron. Otherwise you could get something akin to the Freece Tricolori Ramstein crash of ’88. Better she does something where the only pony she can hurt is herself.
Then we have the same opinion. Canon LD is exactly this, leave to the fandom universe the sad backstory and leather pants.
@BP
Ow Bp, I love you, but we can’t be together…
I never called her a Sociopath I said that acted like it was no biggie and showed no remorse or intent to modify her behavior.
I didn’t say she wanted to get ponies hurt or killed, only that her carelessness and disregard for their safety would make that a very likely outcome.
we get it. you love defending starly because she’s a girl. that is, when you are not busy pissing off weaver with rping.
As many times as you confess your love to me, I;m always going to reject you.
I know we want a good ending for many of the ponies, but, deserved or not, Dust got the boot because brass felt she screwed up. that doesn’t mean she has to become a vengeful monster (nee Trixie.) I think that, if she can channel the anger into, perhaps, starting a solo display or going racing, she can have a good non-military career. Besides…she became outright arrogant at the point she thought she could clear the sky with only two ponies controlling a tornado. That’s not someone you want inches away from you at 400 kts…or in charge of a squadron. Otherwise you could get something akin to Ramstein crash of ’88. Better she does something where the only pony she can hurt is herself.