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Chrysalis: I’m taking this because I’m hungry, not because we’re friends!
Starlight: When Twilight and her friends defeated me, I chose to run away and seek revenge! You don’t have to! You can be the leader your subjects deserve. (holds out her hoof)
Chrysalis: SHUT UP! (slaps Starlight’s hoof away) You ponies are so weird! I’m leaving. Didn’t want to steal any of your goofy love or take over Equestria anyway. YOU’RE ALL A BUNCH OF DORKS! (jumps off the cliff and flies away)
Starlight: I still wish Chrysalis had reformed.
Spike: Well, you should have written a song, like me.
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i have said like three or four times now “i am not saying she is good, but that we don’t know and thus it remains a possibility” since the beginning i have not made a single assumption
“And I like her as a villain.”
obviously you do that, after all you do the same you accused others of doing, except in reverse.
You’re making assumptions for which there are no basis. In no respect have we seen an indication for a “hint of goodness” in her. She’s a stereotypical evil queen, with the twist that her subjects were personally spawned by her. She provides for her subjects, but in the end they still serve her.
If tomorrow we got a surprise 27th episode in which it showed her adopting an orphan and taking care of it, then you can say she’s got some goodness in her. Until such an episode or similar thing happens, we’ve only got what the show has shown so far. She’s a ruthless, evil queen with a vicious, voracious army to feed in addition to herself.
I’m not confusing any “fanon” here. I’m going by what’s on the screen.
I really hope you don’t see the comic issue that showed their origin. It describes them as being formed from evil magic in an evil, cursed place. And after they were blasted out of Canterlot, they were found and taken care of by a teddy bear race. And then it’s implied they killed the entire village and ate them. This is B-canon, so until the show says different, it’s official.
My point of her not being reformed is so we don’t continually lose GOOD villains. An endless stream of one-offs starts to get old after awhile. I want to see her make returns to the show. I don’t want her to be a one-time villain in A Canterlot Wedding, show up again after four more seasons only to be defeated and suddenly proclaim she was wrong and beg the mane 6 to teach her. I was happy to see her slap Starlight’s hoof away and swear vengeance. Because it means we get more episodes with her as a villain. And I like her as a villain.
I’d also love to see more Nightmare Moon, but given how that is all in the past now, and the show retonned the transformation -> banishment from three day to one night, and we saw the entire thing, there’s not a whole lot they can do unless it’s with alternate timelines as with The Cutie Re-Mark. So much more they could fill out, but they’ve been written into a corner.
The point was, if there is a hint of goodness in her, then its possible for her to be reformed, which was the core of the discussion. I will once again throw those words back at you “Don’t confuse fanon with canon”. I don’t deny that she may see her minions as just disposable pawns and only feeds her to ensure her army stays strong and loyal, however there is no hint whatsoever this is the case, it’s merely a fanon, so don’t think it’s reality to support your idea of “Chrysalis absolutely should not get reformed”
For the record, I don’t subscribe to the “do it all for me” theory since in her first appearance she said she was doing it to feed her subjects.
But just because a leader is providing for her brood doesn’t mean she can’t be evil. That brood is very clearly in multiple respects an army. And taking over Equestria has more than one benefit.
Thank goodness somebody else noticed.
You’re right about that people confuse fanon with canon, however i hope you don’t do the same, because she is NOT 100% evil, at least from what we saw. I have seen on websites like tvtropes and user comments here and on EQD that people say “this episode confirms she is just doing it to get more powerful and not feed her children” which actually contradicts what she actual said in the episode.
Yes, she did say that her suspects bring all the love to her BUT then she also said so that she and her hive can feed off it, which completely shatters the “I only do it for myself” fanon that has started to develop since the finale aired a few weeks ago in Britain.
Or the fact that many interpreted her action in the last few seconds of her abandoning her hive, even though it could also very well mean that SHE felt betrayed by her hive, that her hive choose a betrayer and the enemy rather than her method. Sure they would be willing to make her queen again if she also gave the ponies method a chance, but it doesn’t change the fact that they willingly on the spot betrayed her orders. It would be a pity queen instead of an actual ruler.
And remember, her last words were that she wanted revenge on Starlight, not on the changelings or not even Thorax.
I am not saying she is completely pure(in regards to her hive) but that we simply don’t know yet, thus there is absolutely a possibility for her to be redeemed.
(and from a writers perspective it almost comes to 99% that she would be redeemed, she set of all the flags already)
There are many people who hate the idea of Discord being reformed, and some still to this day hate it. So the Discord fans who preferred him as a villain feel cheated as well.
I know. The Mommy Chrissy pics are responsible for shaping the way I see Chrysalis and I personally think it would be a very fitting thing to utilize in the show.
I never asked for Discord to be redeemed but the show proved me wrong. So when I see people cheering all over the fandom about how Chrysalis should remain evil forever and Discord just goes scot-free, I feel very cheated.
If there is an episode where Chrysalis shows sympathy, then it becomes canon. Until then, it’s not. Unfortunately lots of people confuse fanon with canon and give characters all kinds of characteristics and motivations which aren’t canon.
Just keep that in mind, please.
Discord never had a sympathetic side and nobody ever thought about that until Keep Calm and Flutter On.
She doesn’t have a sympathetic side. Please don’t confuse fanon with canon. Despite how popular certain things like Flufflepuff/Chrysalis have become, the in-show, canon Chrysalis is still a vicious, nasty evil creature.
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I want Chrysalis to be reformed because I like the concept of Chrysalis trying to hide her sympathetic side with her stubborn pride.
@Nightweaver20xx
Overcoming your own pride and ego is never easy. Discord and Trixie had to learn the hard way as well.
That’s my point. Tirek in no way should be reformed. But given that every villain or antagonist in the series eventually becomes either reformed or at the very least less antagonistic (Flim and Flam), you need a point where you say this villain is beyond reform. I think Chrysalis would be a good example. I just cannot imagine her being friendly at all.
Discord was evil, but he wasn’t harmfully malicious. He was out to have fun, even if it made everyone miserable. He wasn’t torturing or intentionally hurting people. He even said “I don’t turn ponies to stone!” implying he gave at least a tiny bit of thought to other people.
And even he was a controversial figure to reform. Chrysalis who’s flat-up evil and malevolent? No way could that reformation be taken seriously.
@Background Pony #189D
She WILL be back, though. As a villain. They can’t set us up with “I’ll get revenge on youuuuuuuuu!” and not deliver.
it not, That why Tirek at Tartarus a Pony Supermax, he at a point of no return for reformation
beside reformed characters get more screen time
I’d honestly prefer she not be reformed. Too many villains being reformed. Some are fine, but let’s leave at least a few truly evil, nasty villains. Chrysalis is a good example.
Just imagine down the road Tirek getting reformed. Totally unthinkable.
Because people never learn that.
I need to bring something up that everyone keeps forgetting.
The comics are loosely canon. The show IS canon. If there is ever a contradiction between the show and the comic, whatever happened in the SHOW is the true canon to follow.
Right now we don’t have a contradiction, so I don’t know why the comics are being brought up.