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Hmmm kinda like:
Hehehe.
That’s the most accurate description of criticism I’ve heard in a while.
As a rule of thumb, legitimate criticism is complaining that one agrees with; pointless whining is complaining that one disagrees with.
FiM
Professional crticics have yet to figure it out. Maybe another century.
I would say “complaining for the sake of complaining” isn’t much different than speaking your mind. It’s just something that people are compelled to do (we’re here, aren’t we?) Whether it’s appropriate to do or not depends on whether you’re being a jerk, I think.
@atalarikt
Whoops. I meant FiM.
Okay, I’m kinda confused at this one. By “how crap it is”, do you mean FiM or the cheer itself?
Yeah, but where do we draw the line between criticism and just complaining for the sake of complaining?
Should they have expected it to become popular among adults in the first place? No, but they relished it just as much as a creator should. Having your work cheered for is a fantastic experience.
But that’s not unconditional praise. It shouldn’t be.
People didn’t like My Little Pony because it was My Little Pony, they liked it because it was good. When you succeed, people praise you. When you fail, well. When you put in the effort, the viewers appreciate it. When you don’t, they won’t. For my part, I particularly detest using an “It’s for children!” as an excuse to be a talentless hack; I’ve been sick of it ever since I was a kid with everyone trying to shovel it my face. Children don’t deserve to be fed slop on a silver platter. Children aren’t that dumb.
I think, when you cheer for FiM no matter how crap it is, you’re insulting the hard work anyone ever put into it to make it good in the first place.
Well, it should be. I joined this fandom so I could enjoy watching the show with other fans, not because I was drawn to whining and nitpicking.
I don’t think that was ever a thing in this fandom.
This. Whatever happened to just chilling out and enjoying the show for what it is?
I feel like most children’s media demonstrates how people unfortunately tend think of children as braindead little zombies. But I suppose you’re right, this particular show was started with a somewhat different mindset.
Or at least believed that kids weren’t dumb.
Even if they did, I’m sure they were in full knowledge that those younger audiences would not stay young forever.
Oh! I recognize this!
This is what happens to many fanfic writers when they’re suddenly struck with an original idea of presenting their narrative: “Hey, I’ll try this, won’t it be great?”
The answer, most of the time, is: no, no it won’t be.
A lot of ideas that seemed great when you wrote the first draft will fall flat on the second reading. This seems to suggest the show has no… quality-control… oh, bother.
that her attempt to artificially recreate the previous events were effectively preventing similar events from naturally occurring on their own.
@Background Pony #2BFA
well there’s pretty much no doubt there was at least some malice in there. That’s kind of the definition of the new role of Trickster Mentor he’s slowly transitioning into. He’s still learning what being a friend is, but he’s also still kind of an asshole.
You mean those specific injokes that was apparently so god damn hilarious that it kept on having the ponies burst into implausible fits of laughter even days after it happened? And what are we supposed to think when we never see this happen again after Twilight joins in later social gatherings with Discord?
The real reason of course is hamfisted writing, because I don’t need to create a reason to hate the episode when there was already a shopping list of reasons to choose from, but bad writing is only all the more so when it results in unfortunate implications like this.
Now I’ll admit I hadn’t really thought about your own interpretation, but do you have any reason to think it’s the correct one other than to give the episode the benefit of the doubt? Given the snide tone that Discord was delivering those lines, he was clearly trying to get under her skin. So it’s inevitable that more malicious interpretation is going to be drawn. You need to understand, I’m not trying to twist anything, this is legitimately what I thought Discord was saying during that part of the episode, and still think that’s what it ultimately boils down to.
Bottom line is that even if you don’t think Discord had malicious intent, it’s so easy to interpret it as such that the ponies really shouldn’t have been written to so nonchalantly agree with him. Even if you argue that they interpreted his words the same way you did, it makes them seem horribly inconsiderate.
yes, having her there would make things different. they very well may still be able to have a fun, enjoyable time, but it wouldn’t be the exact same fun enjoyable time that led to all those specific injokes.
now please stop trying to distort/misinterpret the meaning to create a reason to hate the episode.
So you’re saying they cannot recreate the enjoyable time they had because it relied on her not being there then?
That they can’t recreate something that happened when she wasn’t there because, this time, she’s there? Is that really a hard concept to grasp?
@redweasel
I’ve noticed a lot of people posting online with just that power, actually.
maybe a zen master…
He literally says “we can’t possibly recreate our weekend of fun exactly as it happened because you’ll always be watching”. And he opens that speech by identifying Twilight as the one variable that they hadn’t accounted for, basically saying that her absence was the reason the “moments of levity and bonding between friends” happened. How else are we supposed to interpret this?
I actually agree with this. I think Discord had at least some good intent when they were trying to recreate the weekend. His attitude and, dare I say, immaturity, just got in the way.