Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

Regardless, for a person who basically has the exact opposite opinions/morals/ideals as me, you do make some good points. Sometimes.

this is an imagined scenario, of sorts.

There are reasons you are denied medicaid and medicare, there are reasons why you won’t be hired, there are reasons why you can’t work.

What if I got cancer tomorrow? What if I lost my job? What then? Do you see now why this doesn’t work as an argument?

I think what you mean to say is You’re right about everything, I have lost, and I have no argument. Thanks, I accept your surrender.

There sure are. I listed one: being disabled.

being poor. That one’s kind of obvious.

I guess i’m going on your “Users I Ignore Because They May Sometimes Be Right When I’m Not And That Pisses Me Off” list, now? Glad to accept your surrender ;)

Yep. Sure does. Quadrant 1 or 4 (two right quadrants) doesn’t necessitate voting Republican. 3rd parties exist.

Yep. Sure does.

That just sounds a bit crude, don’t you think? But, you are right in one way, it really depends on the reason.

@kyle2252

So you know my circumstances, where I live, my education, and what jobs in my town had openings more than I do.

Right.

not disabled enough

There’s a great solution to that, it’s called working and making sound financial decisions. I make shit for money but I’m not poor because I actually know how to handle money. You don’t see me complaining. I could always make more money. I choose not to. And we’ve already discussed the litany of social programs offered to you if you’re poor. Something which, by the way, surprise, you qualify for if you’re poor because that’s the entire point of the program.
That is literally the only qualification you need, so by suggesting ’what if you don’t qualify’, well that means you’re not poor, then!

Guess again.

It is crude because it’s bullshit. If you don’t qualify then those programs aren’t for you; and you have to do something else, so what? I have been on Medicaid, Covered under ACA, and an employer health plan. The only qualification is income, age, and hours worked respectively. If you don’t qualify for one, then you can do the others, if someone as stupid as me can figure it out I’m sure someone in a completely different situation can, to. The information is out there.

I wouldn’t say being ’not disabled enough’ is a thing but okay, cool. The being disabled part was specifically meant for ’reasons why you can’t work’; not for ’denied medicaid and medicare’. It’s very unlikely you’d be turned down for medicare/medicaid for being disabled, but hey, that’s a hypothetical situation, am I right?

Fair point, social programs do exist. I would go into another whole long spiel about stuff related to that, but frankly, I’m not in the mood to hear you ramble on about why, etc. etc. Not saying I’m not right about some things and you aren’t right about some things, but lord, you are a bit stuck in your convictions.

It’s like arguing with a six year old about why they can’t have the king-sized Hershey bar.

[Kyle voice] Oh, does that mean you’re surrendering? Are you? Are you?

True, you could do something else. I was just saying by that, that maybe you should, I dunno, word it a bit better? Maybe sound more friendly? Maybe that’s a bit too hard to ask.

Also, i’m surprised that you’ve been on medicaid/covered under ACA. Wouldn’t that contradict your ’everyone should pay for their own healthcare if possible’ ideals?

Correct me if i’m wrong, but isn’t that what you said earlier? That healthcare isn’t free, and if you want a good product you have to pay for it?

Now, I don’t know your situation. I have no idea if you’re disabled or whatnot. But hey, assumptions can be wrong.

The main thing that surprised me here, though, is why you wouldn’t want to make more money. Hm.

Not saying I’m not right about some things and you aren’t right about some things, but lord, you are a bit stuck in your convictions. It’s like arguing with a six year old about why they can’t have the king-sized Hershey bar. [Kyle voice] Oh, does that mean you’re surrendering? Are you? Are you?

Oh, also, since you mentioned it earlier: I took the isidewith quiz. I imagine it’s probably what you expect.

It’s a nonsense hypothetical.

That’s because I’ve learned what the best positions are; I’ve heard better arguments, and been convinced by them. That’s a good thing. When a better position comes along, I’ll adopt that. I don’t like your implication that I’m being close-minded by having closely held convictions based on convincing arguments.

No, it’s like arguing with someone who knows more about what they’re talking about then you do. Get used to it.

You haven’t made a counter-argument.

Please.

I do pay for that. With my taxes. I use programs I qualify for; that’s common sense.

I see no contradictions here.

I’m not.

I do, and I am. I just don’t want to make a TON more money, because it would be harder than what I’m currently doing. That’s my choice.

Having strongly held convictions is not childish. I joked with you about you surrendering because your arguments, or lack thereof, made no sense; and you actually conceded some of my points.

You could have strongly held convictions about not murdering someone; that doesn’t make you childish, that makes you not a psychopath; that’s a sensible position to hold strongly.

And it really shouldn’t be surprising that I don’t change my mind when presented with shitty arguments. Would you be convinced by hypotheticals that go nowhere? Because if not, I guess that means you’re just like a six year old refusing to accept that he won’t be getting his candy, right? Give me a break.

Seriously? Raise taxes on all income brackets? Why? So the government can waste even more money?

From the posts I’ve seen you write before, you certainly come off as close-minded.

I’ve seen you insult people numerous times. That’s probably why you have so many bans.

Sure, you may know more than me, but that doesn’t mean i’m not allowed to express my ideals/opinions. It was your decision to reply to my first post directed at you when you could have easily ignored me.

Qualifying and paying with taxes is one thing. Paying out of your own pocket because you don’t apply is another.

I never said it was childish. I meant to say you are stubborn.

You do have good points, I will say. Sometimes. Believe it or not, it is quite fun to debate with others about politics, even if I don’t have a strictly 100% solid point. I wouldn’t say you specifically are fun to debate with, but hey, I’ll take what I can get at 1 in the morning.

It all depends on the topic, I would say.

I wouldn’t be convinced, per se, but I would think about it and maybe think of answers to said hypotheticals.
If you want a break, stop replying. Simple. So will I.

We’re already in $21 trillion in debt, so why does it matter?

Why not spend government money and resources on things that will benefit the people?

Maybe income brackets aren’t the best thing I could have answered with, but still. I wouldn’t be surprised if this country were to cease to exist one day.