Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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I’m trying to think: What were the various news stories about President Obama over his administration? I’m sure the tone was a lot more positive, and I’m pretty sure no one got indicted. Time to use the Wayback Machine, Peabody!
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In short, when the ones you disagree with have recourse to brazen and shameless intellectual dishonesty to “win” their arguments, you may, as a last resort, have to tell them to shut the fuck up or be made to.
We have long already been past that point of them brazenly and shamelessly being intellectually dishonest to “win” their arguments. I doubt there was ever a time when they were ever intellectually honest and engaging in good faith.
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In a way, to say “today is Tuesday” when it is not Tuesday is less an argument at times, and more a message for those in the know. Allowing them to broadcast “it is Tuesday” in debate is to give it strength. It matters not if it can be rationally shut down, because they don’t care. Today is Tuesday.
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That I remember:  
  • That he’s not the president because he was actually born in Kenya (thank Trump)  
  • That he’s a secret muslim out to destroy america from within  
  • A lot of kerfuffle over obamacare, leading to a government shutdown (Trump declared Obama unfit for office over this)  
  • End of “don’t ask don’t tell”, panic about how the gays were going to kill the armed forces  
  • Not shutting down Guantanamo, despite it being his big campaign promise  
  • Drone strikes galore; Big Smile Obama signed off the bombing and execution of thousands  
  • Libya; ranging from Benghazi to the general clusterfuck of US’ low-key involvement in making everything worse there  
  • RadioShack shut down. Happened during Obama’s years, so I personally blame him  
  • GOP blocked appointing a new supreme court justice as elections were just months away; note their recent silence  
  • Everything Snowden and NSA related  
  • Got blamed for ISIS / continued fuckery of Iraq, Afghanistan, and then Syria  
  • IRS political targeting scandal
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We should make a daily counter, where every time something regarding the US and Russia is brought up, the counter resets to zero. You know, like those “X Days Since Last Accident”.
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Add that to the two previous shutdowns and Trump easily has the dubious distinction of being the president who fucked up Washington the worst in American history. And he’s still got two years to run up the score.
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3 shutdowns in 2 years. Technically all in the same year, and all 3 times while his party has control of all 3 branches of government.
 
The record is 7 shutdowns by the way.
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Fast & Furious, something with Eric Holder and the AP, a bunch of trans stuff in his last year…
 
Oddly, his hardass immigration policy didn’t get much play at the time. Democrats didn’t say anything because it would make him look bad. Republicans didn’t say anything because it would make him look good.
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And let’s not forget that conservatives were so buttblasted by a black man as president pushing for the most basic healthcare that they self-immolated, killed the Republican party, and created the massive pool of stupid that was/is the Tea Party.
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And let’s not forget that conservatives were so buttblasted by a black man as president pushing for the most basic healthcare that they self-immolated, killed the Republican party, and created the massive pool of stupid that was/is the Tea Party.
 
Which begs the question: did the party really hate what was Romneycare with some extra medicade thrown on top because of the plan, or hate it because a bla- a democrat ran with it?
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Latter. Obamacare really isn’t that great, and is miles away from socialized health care.
 
The US healthcare system will be shit for as long as the system of political bribery, aka lobbying, is still in play; they won’t allow for anything that gets in the way of their profits, just reshuffling here and there.
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Latter. Obamacare really isn’t that great, and is miles away from socialized health care.
The US healthcare system will be shit for as long as the system of political bribery, aka lobbying, is still in play; they won’t allow for anything that gets in the way of their profits, just reshuffling here and there.
 
tfw I remember when we all thought this was a step in the next direction and the next thing we would do is advance forward towards an actual public option… Then it never came… And the Party just turned and said, “what next step?”
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tfw I remember when we all thought this was a step in the next direction and the next thing we would do is advance forward towards an actual public option… Then it never came… And the Party just turned and said, “what next step?”
 
Democrat policies in a nutshell.
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tfw I remember when we all thought this was a step in the next direction and the next thing we would do is advance forward towards an actual public option… Then it never came… And the Party just turned and said, “what next step?”
Democrat policies in a nutshell.
That’s rather disingenuous to say. Granted, the Affordable Care Act wasn’t perfect, but in a lot of ways that was unavoidable. It was the best they could do within the time constraints they had to get it through, and the most they could do that still would allow it to pass the House and Senate both. And there’s a certain amount of strategy to that, because it’s harder to kill once it becomes law (obviously), and because it could be corrected and adjusted to be better later on.
 
Unfortunately the Democrats lost the House and had their majority in the Senate reduced very soon thereafter (thanks at least in part to a contingent of frothing at the mouth right wing loons making it sound like ACA supporting Democrats would shortly be convening a grand inquisition to determine what old people to cull from the population), hindering their ability to continue improving it.
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And then the Republicans refused to pay any of the bills (which is kind of a running trope for them now) so of course it “broke”. When you don’t pay your bills people eventually stop doing things.
 
Which, oddly, is something conservatives in America have somehow forgotten.
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All the old coons need to stop serving, like probably 60% or so of them are baby boomers. I can’t wait for all of them to retire.
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That’s why we need congressional term limits. And SCOTUS. Trump claimed he would change that but nope.  
If it were up to me, congressmen/women would get 2 terms. Each term is 2 years so imo 2 terms is sufficient.
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All the old coons need to stop serving,
WHOAAA. Jk, I’m sure it was a mistake. Just like the weather man.
 
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My idea: one SCOTUS seat gets cycled every 2 years. An 18-year term is plenty for a “lifetime” appointment, and a fixed schedule makes the political branches’ impact on the courts more predictable.
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