Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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god.
i’m just terrified for my little brother and his bf, they’re a town away but i’m just so scared. i’m terrified i’m gonna wake up and some fucking piece of emboldened freak is gonna hurt them.
we’re estranged because of life stuff and trying to interact more even over the web and maybe i wasn’t the best big brother i could be at times when i was a shittyer younger person.
god.
i don’t have much family left after life has so thoroughly kicked me into the dirt and i just want to hold on to what’s left.
i hate this boot lickers that sand there and wave flags for a fucking withering rapist tyrant. no combination of words on earth in any form of communication can describe my contempt for them.
marinus18

@Zaknel
No, that had nothing to do with it. He inherited a strong economic growth from Obama that under him started to level off and went down hard during covid. Now the same thing will happen, he is inheriting a strong economic growth from Biden which he will drive into the ground once again and when a democrat takes power they will be blamed for the low economy.
Deregulating businesses and cutting corporate taxes has never let to growth. It didn’t in the 1920’s, it didn’t in the 1980’s and it didn’t in the 2010’s. It’s just not real.
Letting the elite hoard more money just hasn’t helped people be more prosperous. But of course propaganda to say it does is plentiful cause the powerful want people to believe it. What actually creates growth is investment and good regulation that encourages productivity.
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I just said he cut business regulations and taxes. Thatis all I said. A lot of people feel that’s a good thing, especially if they want to make their own business.
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@Dustcan
But again, focusing your vote solely based on Palestine while ignoring all the other issues happening in the country you live in, is as Zincy said before, missing the forest for the trees
I’m not saying that we shouldn’t criticise politicians still supporting Israel despite them violating several articles of the Geneva Convention every 5 seconds, but American voters should be focusing more on issues happening in AMERICA more then another country
I get that how they’d react to the conflict would be a policy for some, but domestic issues should always come first before dealing with foreign issues imo
marinus18

@Zaknel
Trump raised taxes for small businesses. It’s only big business that had their taxes cut. Also most of the regulations he cut were those that protected small businesses and consumers.
With small business capital is actually a limiting factor.
Trump’s tax cuts and deregulation slowed Obama’s economic growth and was especially disasterous during Covid. Tax cuts slow economic growth by encouraging hoarding. Also his deregulation caused a lot of people to lose all their money as they didn’t have labor protections. Of course he managed to deflect blame from that towards the lockdowns rather than his own eliminations of labor protections. Even though other countries had lockdowns and they didn’t have this problem.
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Supposedly down-ballot Dems all over performed well. Rashida Tlaib won by like 50 points despite Kamala losing her state. State Issue proposals seem to be favoring the Dwm side.
The House is still up for grabs, Dems lost the Senate but seemingly mostly by virtue of having like twice as many seats up for grabs.
First impression seems to be that Kamala herself just plain sucks.
marinus18

@marinus18
I just said he cut business regulations and taxes. Thatis all I said. A lot of people feel that’s a good thing, especially if they want to make their own business.
If they “want” to make their own business kind of reminds me of the saying why socialism never took off in America. Cause Americans don’t accept the reality that they are exploited prolitariat, they live under the fantasy that they are temporarily embarresed capitalists.
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So.. I just saw a Trump supporter with a Trump flag saying “WOOOOO” walked past me.
The economy is going to effect him and everyone in this country.
So enjoy it while it lasts.
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People hear “taxes” and immediately boo. “Regulation” has been made a thoroughly dirty word by decades of corporate propaganda.
We can argue that yeah getting rid of both is a bad thing. How taxes are important for cleaning out drinking water while regulations are important for making sure that same water isn’t polluted to begin with.
Doesn’t matter if the average Joe still hisses on reflex when they are mentioned.
marinus18

I think the real problem is the lack of unionization that has made people forget about capitalism. They assume that if the economy does well they ought to be doing well too and that’s not how it works. In a capitalist system only capitalists see the gains of economic growth unless you have government taxes and regulations or unions forcing things to be different.
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@Dustcan
I think a big problem has been a long history of government underinvestment that has made people assume government can’t be productive. Biden took some good steps but it’s clear it was too little too late. I think it’s also important that due to corporate media many forget capitalism even exists and what it means. Capitalism means the gains of the economy only go to the top. It takes taxes and forced high wages to get the gains to everyone else. it’s just how the system is set up.
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How so? Corporate tax cuts are bad for everyone, including the capitalists in the long term. Higher taxes lead to more investment and more economic activity. Lower taxes lead to lower investment and lower economic activity.
However for capitalists they have not much to gain and a lot to lose so they prefer a stagnant economy over a dynamic one. In a dynamic economy it’s much easier to gain money which means they could get rivals to their power.
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all i see is excuses. excuses to turn on people that just want to live life they do, excuses to hate, excuses to believe in cushy lies that tell them it’s ok to hate them for being different, excuses to curb stop people like me and my brother for being born “wrong” for daring speak up about it.
fuck your excuses.
marinus18

I can’t believe I’m agreeing in full with r/neoliberal her, but this write up on their sub speaks to my views almost exactly
But of course you still see people blaming union workers, white working class, latinos, LGBT people, yada yada yada
I kinda agree with that too. Biden focused too much on long term gain and not enough on short term ones. The biggest thing I thought he didn’t do that he should have is the 17 dollar minimum wage. That would have been easy to notice and impossible to bury. He also should have enacted price controls. Harris promised these things but it was too late, Biden should have enacted them. It’s a show how economic growth is irrelevant politically if people can’t feel it in an immediate and obvious way.
Which made them wish for the Trump time machine.
I do think that is the real criticism that should be remembered. That democrats need to make people’s lives better in a very obvious way that’s easy to notice and impossible to deny. Most of what the article says I do recognize in the few MAGA people I know. They don’t care for Trump much and they also don’t even know how he is supposed to make it better. All they know is that they want prices back to pre-covid levels.
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@marinus18
Thing is, i’m talking civilian-wise. It’s sad, but unfortunate.
@marinus18
Not to mention the fact that Harris 3 Months to get her campaign ready. If Biden dropped out earlier, sure she probably still lose, but it wouldn’t been as low.
Though, this probably won’t be a bad thing, especially if it gives Walz a chance to run as president in 2028.
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