@Prof.NightJack
Yeah, you’re not wrong. That’s where the movie really stumbles. It started out with a really solid idea, but failed to stick the landing.
@Prof.NightJack
I don’t think the message was too hard to understand as much as it was buried underneath everything else that was going on on the surface.
@Solitude
IMO best way to explain it is
“You know those goofy sissy talky films Cannes adores so much with layer upon layer of societal condemnation and the betrayal of ones own senses and chronological story consumption being completely necessary to make sense of it all?”
“Yeah?”
“We threw bullets, bombs, and babes into it.”
“Buck yeeea! sexydance” And that’s why it’s so goddamn unintelligible.
It’s a good and crazy conceptual mishmash, but I wonder if Snyder was the one to do it, since so many seemed to hate it or miss it. Maybe another director should take a shot at the idea and see if he gets it across any better. It can definitely go places.
So, this movie finished. And as I told everyone in the stream, I actually liked. Sure, I didn’t get the message Solitude and Sombra talk about, but I got the plot of the story and actually managed to nver get lost in the mindfuck.
It had pretty action sequences, I loved the metaphor of Baby Doll being in a brothel due to the doctors treating them like whores, the “dances” therapies evolving to great fantasy worlds inside her mind, and a pretty nice idea of a movie.
Sure, it has its flaws like many parts being boring, or the messages being confusing for the viewer, but overall it didn’t suck as other movies that try to be animesque movies and fall as failed fanservice flicks. I can be generous and give it a 8/10.
@Solitude
Yeah i admit it’s really not a movie for everyone.
I know guys who think Movies like 2001: A Space Odyssey or Blade Runner are boring. But are mostly considered Sci-Fi classics.
We (the target audience), we are Blue, the Chef, and the High Roller. That is who we (as the viewer) are characterised as in the film by Zack Snyder…
The action sequences; on purpose, are metaphoric representations of Babydoll doing her dance in front of a group of various; and quite frankly, grotesque characterisations of men.
Simply put: WE are those grotesque men… and Babydoll’s sexy dance that those men representing us are drooling over are the overly OTT action sequences that we the audience paid to see!
This movie is a giant condemnation of the entire genre, and not a subtle one either!
The one girl who is sensible and reined in with her sexuality (Sweat-Pea) is the only one to survive. Think about that and what’s it’s saying.
Sweat-Pea is the narrator at the start who speaks about Guardian Angels. Babydoll is Sweat-Pea’s guardian angel, and the elaborate metaphors and criticisms of the film’s sexual depictions are rationalised through her perspective.
This is just my theory.
If you still don’t like it, then it’s okay it’s your opinion.
I mean if you have to look hard to see the message then it failed, there being subtle with the message then there is making it a puzzle just the get a HINT of the message.
@Mr. Horrible
I see one problem with that, and it’s one of two things I think a move should never do with it’s message, one is the hit you over then head with the message, and the other(what Sucker Punch does) is to make the message to damn hard to understand.
The problem with Sucker Punch was that it asked audiences to sift through what looked like a bunch of shallow, pointless nerd-wank in order to see the message they were trying to convey. Once you understand what the film is actually trying to say it’s pretty damn good, but it’s pretty damn hard to find the actual point underneath everything else.
tl;dr I honestly enjoyed Sucker Punch, but I can absolutely see why people would hate it.
Yeah, you’re not wrong. That’s where the movie really stumbles. It started out with a really solid idea, but failed to stick the landing.
…if you have to look so hard to see it, from being to hard to understand OR just under to much other stuff, then it failed.
I don’t think the message was too hard to understand as much as it was buried underneath everything else that was going on on the surface.
Moviebob does a much better job explaining this than I can:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/6247-You-Are-Wrong-About-Sucker-Punch-Part-One
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/6266-You-Are-Wrong-About-Sucker-Punch-Part-Two
@Solitude
IMO best way to explain it is
“You know those goofy sissy talky films Cannes adores so much with layer upon layer of societal condemnation and the betrayal of ones own senses and chronological story consumption being completely necessary to make sense of it all?”
“Yeah?”
“We threw bullets, bombs, and babes into it.”
“Buck yeeea! sexydance” And that’s why it’s so goddamn unintelligible.
It’s a good and crazy conceptual mishmash, but I wonder if Snyder was the one to do it, since so many seemed to hate it or miss it. Maybe another director should take a shot at the idea and see if he gets it across any better. It can definitely go places.
It had pretty action sequences, I loved the metaphor of Baby Doll being in a brothel due to the doctors treating them like whores, the “dances” therapies evolving to great fantasy worlds inside her mind, and a pretty nice idea of a movie.
Sure, it has its flaws like many parts being boring, or the messages being confusing for the viewer, but overall it didn’t suck as other movies that try to be animesque movies and fall as failed fanservice flicks. I can be generous and give it a 8/10.
Much like anything, a matter of personal taste, I suppose.
Yeah i admit it’s really not a movie for everyone.
I know guys who think Movies like 2001: A Space Odyssey or Blade Runner are boring. But are mostly considered Sci-Fi classics.
I think that’s also how Snyder himself explained it.
The movie didn’t appeal much to me. Guess it’s message kinda went over my head. That bit with the giant samurai was pretty cool, though.
Time to make dinner and watch.
And i think i understand this movie.
We (the target audience), we are Blue, the Chef, and the High Roller. That is who we (as the viewer) are characterised as in the film by Zack Snyder…
The action sequences; on purpose, are metaphoric representations of Babydoll doing her dance in front of a group of various; and quite frankly, grotesque characterisations of men.
Simply put: WE are those grotesque men… and Babydoll’s sexy dance that those men representing us are drooling over are the overly OTT action sequences that we the audience paid to see!
This movie is a giant condemnation of the entire genre, and not a subtle one either!
The one girl who is sensible and reined in with her sexuality (Sweat-Pea) is the only one to survive. Think about that and what’s it’s saying.
Sweat-Pea is the narrator at the start who speaks about Guardian Angels. Babydoll is Sweat-Pea’s guardian angel, and the elaborate metaphors and criticisms of the film’s sexual depictions are rationalised through her perspective.
This is just my theory.
If you still don’t like it, then it’s okay it’s your opinion.
I see one problem with that, and it’s one of two things I think a move should never do with it’s message, one is the hit you over then head with the message, and the other(what Sucker Punch does) is to make the message to damn hard to understand.
tl;dr I honestly enjoyed Sucker Punch, but I can absolutely see why people would hate it.
…yay?