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@RepentantAnon
nooo , this is celestia’s nightmare c;
It was an interesting and stimulating discussion, it’s been a privilege speaking with you.
Yes, I was about to say the same. It´s been an interesting debate which has served me to share my opinion as well to understand yours. Although both of us still remain with the same thoughts I think we´ve learned a couple of things. It has been a pleasure to discuss with you.
I will agree that much of this discussion on both our parts in speculation; so it’s probably best we don’t continue, I understand you’re view point, even if I don’t agree with it and I think you understand where I am coming from as well, so we should probably end it here and part on polite terms. I hope this doesn’t come across as rude or me running off, but it does seem we’ve been going in circles with this debate, restating canon info and surrounding it with our own theories and that’s unlikely to get us anywhere. Though if you want to continue I am capable. Again, sorry if this seemed rude.
Discord has learnt to be more cautious, specially if we are treating with the mane six. His excess of confident ended in his defeat, he has learned his lesson. He´s not a god or an unbreakable spirit. At first I though that, but seeing that he stopped chaos for Fluttershy that denotes that he´s juts a very powerful living being, not an entity fated to one eternal purpose. So he can be affected by magic. I´m sure that Celestia can fall in a hypnotizing too. But the main problem is that almost all our arguments are simple speculation, just a couple of them can be considered canon.
I don’t think group opinions can really be used as facts within a debate, Discord is voiced by John John de Lancie which made him immediately popular as a character. As I said, in Return of Harmony Celestia implied she couldn’t defeat Discord but it was never stated out right and considering he didn’t “Discord’ her like he did everyone else it stands to reason he could not.
I would say that an actual battle would be very destructive while the Elements are relatively peaceful in resolving a threat and easier, so that’s probably why Celestia chose not to fight him, plus maybe she only recently grew stronger than him, or realized she could over power him? Additionally it was also stated within the show that Celestia cast a spell to protect the Elements from Discord and it was a spell he could not break.
Which is why I am of the opinion she can overpower him. Besides if Discord were as powerful as everyone says why did he eat the spells Twilight was keeping as a back up plan if he turned against them if they weren’t a threat?
Well I have a lot of people who think like me, most of bronies think that Discord is the most powerful character in the show. As well, I think that if Celestia was so powerful she would try to defeat all the villains alone instead of sending he mane six. Another point is that in fact is canon is that Celestia couldn´t defeat Discord without the Elements, she said so in the show.
Again I feel the need to disagree, sorry it took me so long to respond I was asleep then out for the morning. Anyway, it’s possible that Celestia did not realize she was stronger than him until after he was defeated or that an straight up battle between them would reduce the nation to a wasteland and that the Elements were the more surefire and safest way of dealing with him. Again, why do you think he could defeat her easily, Discord was never even in the same room as Celestia projecting an image until the mane cast left Celestia and he never mind raped her like he did seemingly everything else so Celestia was able to send Twilight the message. The end result it we’ve never seen them fight, but within canon Celestia was capable of overpowering Discords magic, so I believe she is stronger than him. That’s my take on it regardless. Sorry if this seemed rude at all.
Well, in that case Celestia could have just gone with her sister to stop Discord when he escaped instead of sending the mane six. If she didn’t do it I think that it was for a reason. Celestia didn´t go after him because she knew she couldn´t defeat him without the Elements, while Discord could defeat her with a snap of his fingers. Celestia can just defeat Discord with the use of one item, specifically the most powerful item in Equestria, while Discord is able to reduce her alone.
You make some good points, but I feel that most of those are theoretical in nature, if we go with just what was established in the show, then Celestia does seem capable of overpowering Discord. It could have taken Celestia a long time, but she seemed very casual about the matter so it might have taken only a few moments just as easily. While it is not an unreasonable theory that the Elements reduce his power I don’t think there is anything in canon saying so, and even then that would still leave him weaker than her. You make a good point that given time he might have been able to break it, but if Celestia can stop his magic once then she likely would be able to do so again, especially if she was willing to risk letting him out. While it is true they had to work together that was also at the very least 1000 tears ago, within that time Celestia could easily have learned and grown more powerful.
Those are very good arguments, but I think that I´ve found a way to contradict The Elements protection. Who knows how much time it took Celestia to create an appropriate spell to stop Discord. By the way, I think that the power of the Elements reduce Discord´s strength, so when he got out of the stone prison he may wasn´t at his highest level of power. Keep Calm and Flutter On developed in just one day, maybe after some time more Discord would have been able to fight back Celestia´s spell. And I still have by my side the fact that Celestia and Luna had to work together and use the Elements (which have been named as the most powerful item in Equestria) to definitely defeat Discord.
Sorry I posted that one as an anon.
I can’t really agree with the sun argument, in the premier Celestia was seen raising the sun extremely quickly while seemingly exerting no effort on her part. the length it takes on certain holidays is lily a performance mroe than anything else. While sometime over a thousands years ago they did need to use the Elements, i’m not sure that means he could easily defeat them.
In regards to Chrysalis, I guess so, Celestia could perhaps not have been usingg her full [ower for fear of damaging the area, but Celestia was able to magically overpower Discord and Chrysalis, while feeding on SHs love overpowered her, so yes I guess Chrysalis does count as stronger than Discord. As to why she would need an army, she certainly did not seem to expect to become stronger than Celestia and she said the reason for her invasion was to feed the Changelings so not bring them would be a bit odd.
In regards to Discord taking the world, that was never specified, Celestia actually said he was a threat to Equestria, so it seems he may never have stepped outside of the pony’s own land.
At the end of the day, while I disliked the episode Celestia was able to overpower Discords magic, which would make her stronger than him. I know I’m restating myself, but I felt that’s sort of necessary given the discussion. I hope I did not seem rude here.
Celestia needs a lot of time to raise the Sun, while Discord could alternate the night and the day with no effort. Another point is that to stop Discord Celestia and Luna had to combine their forces and use the Elements, so individually they would have been easily stopped. With the same logic, if you say that Celestia is more powerful than Discord, when Chrysalis became more powerful than Celestia, Chrysalis was more powerful than Discord. Then why did she need and entire army to conquer JUST Canterlot, while Discord took over the ENTIRE world alone? I think that the events talk by themselves.
While I dislike the episode Celestia, in Keep calm and flutter on cast a spell on the Elements of Harmony that Discord could not break. So she is logically capable of magic greater than Discords ken.
Really? Discord is much more powerful than Celestia and I can show you why.