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Trump rescinding sanctions on NK is a good thing  
Their people are already starving why make them starve more
 
@Scrabbleman  
That’s Andrew yang’s idea  
UBI can be any sort of amount, it can even be a negative income tax like Friedman(I think it was him) suggested
 
Either way it fucks over welfare programs so fuck that noise
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You gonna steal it from people who actually work for a living?
 
Actually, take it from the bourgeoisie’s profits.
 
Or, even better, we should make it so that society as a whole owns the means of production. After all, the whole of society depends on the means of production, so it should own them. Gosh, then we could make social labor directly social; then we wouldn’t even need taxes!
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You gonna steal it from people who actually work for a living?
Actually, take it from the bourgeoisie’s profits.
Or, even better, we should make it so that society as a whole owns the means of production. After all, the whole of society depends on the means of production, so it should own them. Gosh, then we could make social labor directly social; then we wouldn’t even need taxes!
 
It should be worth noting that with this post, not a lot of the homes - or resources - in this country aren’t necessarily owned by people who need it; or even worked in a traditional labor aspect. A lot of the properties in the US, especially homes are held by hedge funds or banks in New York or elsewhere diversifying their financial assets to make even more money from nothing at some future date. But because these people own a very large chunk of homed-property it’s out of the reach of most people, even hard working people like me; or dare I say even Kyle perhaps. And even to the people who are homeless the problem isn’t that they probably do not want to work, but who may not be able to work; that they got kicked out of the work force because their skills could no longer keep up and there’s no advantage to being a coding beginner at the age of fifty in the silicon valley of central Appalachia that is Cumberland, Maryland or somewhere like Wassau, Wisconsin.
 
This is also overlooking any of the other issues that would put someone on the streets for no fault of their own; support networks falling apart from mental illness because we have such a weak support network there or a poor overall starting position and like the fifty year old being forced to learn basic HTML to get nothing has no where to go and so just sort of exists in garden sheds.
 
Homes are built for people to live in, to raise a family, to store their shit, and have somewhere to return to at the end of the day or for someone to send or refer useful materials like say: stuff for a savings or checking account and a permanent place to put on job forms. But because they’re not being used for this built use - their use value - but being used primarily for financial gain - their exchange value - the market price of homes are far above what’d be reachable for anyone. The problem at this point though is that since so many Boomers are putting their retirement into property and the current economic state has shifted home ownership towards the banks there’s damning financial disincentive to reallocate those properties. Morally and ethically it is not to take from people who have worked hard in favor of those who haven’t worked at all; more people who don’t work at all and get the most capital at the price of other people’s freedoms and liberties. But until the next market crash in the next two or four years I can’t see a viable point in the immediate future to change this. Unless we’re going to go full Maoist on these people.
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Trump rescinding sanctions on NK is a good thing
Their people are already starving why make them starve more
 
If it was for humanitarian reasons then there’d be a discussion.
 
It’s not. Trump likes Kim, so Trump doesn’t want to upset his dictator sempai. Worse is that you are preemptively giving up negotiation leverage by doing this.
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@Dustcan  
What difference does it make what the reason is? Is lifting the sanctions on NK good or not?
 
We have sanctions on Russia, we should have them on NK. Neither of these countries are free, they’re ruled by brutal dictators.
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Sanctioning a nation is one of the few ways to non-violently put pressure on them. It’s a way to get them to the negotiation table. Since nobody wants a nuclear NK, we need them to at those tables.
 
Trump’s blowing it by not asking for anything in return. He’s giving up all are concessions ahead of the time, so if NK ever does decide to “negotiate” then their only response will be “Okay so what will you give us in return? No, I mean what have you done for us recently?”
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@Dustcan  
Let’s be honest here: the people of North Korea are gonna starve with or without the sanctions. The only thing this is gonna do is let Kim buy more ivory backscratchers on the black market.
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POOR PERSON: [spends five days a week scrubbing toilets for less than the living wage]
 
RICH PERSON: It’s not my privileged background and social connections which made me successful, it’s my incredible work ethic!
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What about the Bill of Rights, freedom of speech–doesn’t this show that the people do have freedom in this country? Going back to the beginning, many of the “Founding Fathers” of this country had no intention of granting even these limited rights to the common people.
But they had to promise certain freedoms to get the working people to fight on their side. This, combined with the revolutionary upsurge of the people around these rights, forced them to be written into most state constitutions. It was only after wide opposition to the original Constitution and still further struggle that the Bill of Rights was added, as a series of amendments. The real attitude of many of the “Founding Fathers” was expressed by one delegate [Roger Sherman] at the Constitutional Convention in 1787, who said, to his fellow delegates’ approval, “The people immediately should have as little to do as may be about the government.”
 
[A]s soon as the British had been defeated, the new ruling class feared that if the people had too much to do with politics, they would “get out of hand,” they would not be content to work under wretched conditions for their capitalist–and slave-owning–masters. So the people’s rights remained really paper rights and their rebellions were crushed with brutal armed force.
This has been the case throughout the history of this country. At the time of the Civil War, for example, the industrialists and bankers of the North recognized that, for both political and military reasons, they had to declare the slaves emancipated in order to win the war. And for a short time after the war, during the period of Reconstruction in the South, the former slaves and poor whites fought for and won some rights.
But as their struggle for democratic rights, including the right to own land and property, conflicted more and more with the capitalists’ drive for profits, a reign of terror was unleashed against Black people and their allies among poor white farmers and laborers.
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Barr, quoting Mueller, said that though no crime was determined, that the report stopped short of exonerating Trump of wrong doing.
 
The very next statement out of the White House “this completely exonerates the President”.
 
No, it doesn’t. It means there wasn’t enough evidence for an indictment, but enough concern floating around that they couldn’t declare him innocent either.
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