"Older" tag description and implication

So the Older tag is for “aged-up” and “grown up” characters made over 18, but what about characters like the Cake twins and Flurry Heart who are made literally older, but are still ambiguously young (ex: Egophiliac’s Slice of life)?
 
The “Older (character)” probably have to be fixed too and have implications added.

I’m pretty sure the older tag would still apply to them, since they’re still aged up.

The description still seemed like it needs to be changed then. Maybe it was added to distinguish from possible foalcon? Even something like “Older than depicted in canon” could have worked.
 
EDIT: Guess I’ll just leave it then.

It would be a whole lot more logical if the alias were reversed and “aged-up” were the primary tag rather than older, but that wasn’t my decision.
 
Older, per the tag description, should only be used on characters that are 18+
 
It should not be used on teenage flurry heart, CMCs, or cake twins, or colt/filly model cake twins or flurry heart.

@cheezedoodle  
Then what’s everyone supposed to use in its place? What are we supposed to use for the mane six aged to old mares, or the cake twins aged to be the CMC’s age? The tag strayed from its original use because of a need and an honest mistake. If the tags definition isn’t going to change, than another tag needs to take its place. Perhaps you should un-alias “aged-up” from “older” and let that severe as the “aged to 18+” tag instead, it might be the less laborious task at this point.

@cheezedoodle  
then would 5-year-old and teenager be appropriate? Are there other age tags?
 
 
@Background Pony #786D  
Technically older canon adults would still fall under the tag, right?

@Background Pony #786D  
@L-D-Sayo
 
5-year-old, teenager, elderly are all commonly used. Some characters also have their own teenager tags, like teenage applejack, big macintosh, each of the CMCs, etc.
 
For your hypothetical old mares mane 6, use “elderly, older”
 
For the cake twins as CMC age, I would use colt and/or filly.

@cheezedoodle  
You seem to be missing the issue. The Older tag was serving as a catch-all for characters definitively older than they currently are in canon. What you’re suggesting would work fine along side a catch-all, but they can’t replace it.
 
Besides that, the cake twins are already a colt and filly as babies, so that would be of no help.

@Background Pony #786D  
I don’t disagree with you, but there is a lot of disagreement between the other staff about what to do about it (if anything).
 
The topic was discussed about 3 years ago but nothing ever came of it. I’ll see if it can be resurrected.

@cheezedoodle  
I’d really appreciate that.
 
Regardless of how that turns out, thank you for hearing me out.

idk

Huh. Guess I never read the description of the older tag. I always just used it for a character that’s “older”. Nothing about any specific age.

@Zeb  
The reason for the specific age is that for awhile “(tag normally implying foalcon) && anthro && older” meant that the image was ok on the site. So, it was the “Over 18” marker for images that otherwise would be subject to a Rule #5 review.
 
As such, it probably shouldn’t be messed with, since it was used as a part of our processes, and some other “this is an aged up character” tag would be preferred.
 
I always thought that was the genesis of the “older [character]” set of tags, such as older sweetie belle.
 
“older” remained the “this is not an underaged character” flag (aka ‘adult’), and “older [character]” meant that they were older than portrayed in the show, yet not necessarily an adult.

@Derpy Whooves  

 
I don’t recall ever taking the tag into account on any discussion on rule 5.  
Admittedly, that’s just my memory. But just like how we don’t take the lack of age related tags into account, and only look at what the image itself shows, I don’t think we should rely on a tag to be any sort of indicator for rule 5 questions.
 
And the tag is largely being used for any relative “older” and not “Only over 18” already. Heck that’s how I’ve been tagging it. So the only current change would be changing the description to match the current usage.

@Zeb  
I have. There’s been lots and lots of times when we concluded a Rule #5 review with removing the “foalcon” tag and adding the “older” tag. But maybe that was in some before time. Seems that it was happening the most before the “September Change”.
 
And, I think you’ve misunderstood me. We didn’t look at the tag to determine if the image was Rule #5, we added the tag as a result of a review that concluded that the character was “older”.
 

 
Maybe don’t change the description to match the current usage if you have no memory of the stuff I’m talking about, ok?

@cheezedoodle  
Ah, Okay! I had been thinking those were like the “Male/Female” tags, but I’ll keep them in mind.
 
Thank you as well for your help!

@Derpy Whooves  

 
Sorry about that miss-understanding.
 
Though that makes me curious: Why would that change if we removed the “over 18” part? The image would still be tagged older.
 
I think I’m missing the part where removing the age changes how the tag would be used. Sorry if I’m being dense.

Would if be of any benefit to point out that users seem to have been using adult in place older to indicate an underage character is over 18?

@Zeb  
Staff has been talking about this for THREE YEARS and we still don’t have an answer. And I feel like I’ve already typed literally pages answering the very same questions you’re asking.
 
Please remember that all of this predates the new mod notes on images, so some of those staff-made tag changes were the only permanent record of the result of the staff review, and that legacy stuff is still useful when people report ancient images.
 
2LDR: If staff tagged it “Older”, then that was generally speaking the result of a Rule #5 review, so there’s a good chance the image should be grandfathered in.
 
So, could we please conclude the staff-only side of this discussion before we try to talk it out in public?