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Proposal:

Create the following definitions for the categories Big Breasts, Huge Breasts, and Impossibly Large Breasts.

Big Breasts:
Short Description: Huggably large breasts.
Long Description: Images with characters that have breasts that together are wider than the owner’s shoulders or that stand out past their arms, but not so large that the owner can’t wrap their own arms around them.

Huge Breasts:
Short Description: Breasts too large to wrap your arms around, but not impossibly big.
Long Description: Images with characters that have breasts so large the owner can’t wrap their own arms around them, but not larger in diameter than the owner’s body is tall.

Impossibly Large Breasts:
Short Description: Breasts that are larger than the owner’s body.
Long Description: Images with characters that have oversized breasts that are larger in diameter than their own body is tall and that are so big the character can’t reach all of them.

Reason for this proposal

Today, big breasts and huge breasts do not have definitions, and although impossibly large breasts has a definition its application remain highly subjective.

When the staff are asked to resolve tagging disputes, we really don’t know what measuring stick to use to judge if the breasts in the image are, in fact, "impossibly" large, and even though there have been forum discussions about the definition and use of this tag in the past, the use of the tag remains contentious and the definition still appears to be too broad.

For example, today the category "Impossibly Large Breasts" includes breast sizes that are similar to what humans have had in real life, and breasts the size of buildings, and the current line between "Huge" and "Impossibly Large" is difficult to justify, given the sizes of breasts that real life humans have attained, and the problems that sometimes come in when judging size in images where perspective is not clear.

Using the current aliasing of "Larger than the body" into "Impossibly Large", I think that using the character’s own body height as a measuring stick against the diameter of the breast in the image might help provide a less subjective metric that will make it easier for these tags to be applied consistently, and will give the staff a less subjective tool for helping to resolve disputes.

Please let me know what you think, and offer any improvements or counter proposals that you might have, and if this proposal is accepted I’ll help clean up the tags.
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I feel like tags should scale too, so that Huge also gets tagged Big, and Impossibly also gets tagged Huge and Big I feel this might be a good ideas, but idk.

Also we should really do this with dicks too, but people more often tag them when they are smaller or reasonably sized versus just big and oversized like they so often are…
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Today, Impossibly Large Breasts does imply big breasts, breasts, huge breasts, and Huge Breasts implies big breasts, breasts, and Big Breasts implies breasts, so I think we’re ok there, if I understand what you are saying.

I think doing this with dicks, too, is a great idea! Although, yes – the idea of what a "normal" sized penis is can be just as contentious a discussion as what a "normal" breast is :)
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Breasts too large to wrap your arms around, but not impossibly big

Um, if the breasts are so large you can’t wrap your arms around them then aren’t they dangerously close to being so large the character who has them can’t reach them all?

Anyways not a fan of the idea that a single tag would contain the range from huge yet plausible, to not quite body height!!

very large but plausible
very large but plausible, essentially the same size, just more sag
each one is larger than her thigh or entire torso
still only a 3rd to 4th of her height
roughly half of body height but each breast could weigh as much if not more than the rest of the character
roughly body height, the lower limit of impossibly large breasts?
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I think you’re confusing the tag definition of "impossibly" with your own interpretation of "impossibly".

The distinction is "too large to wrap your arms around but not [larger in diameter than their own body is tall]"

I was going to propose "larger than the length of the arm", but found too many images where THAT was not a good metric, so I used the "larger than the body" alias which "Impossibly Large" already has.

So – yes, "larger than the body" is a part of the current definition of "Impossibly Large" – so does there need to be ANOTHER breast category between "huge" and "impossibly large"?

If so, what should that be, and how should it be defined?

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a single tag would contain the range from huge yet plausible, to not quite body height!!

What do you propose instead, that would be a non-subjective definition that others can apply?

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That’s a part of the problem, I think. There’s no tag for planet sized breasts, and people for whom that is a fetish are now having to sort through all the "merely impossibly large" breasts to find their thing.
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Breasts need not be larger than the owner’s body to be impossibly large.

I disagree that the tags should scale. Big breasts, huge breasts, and impossibly large breasts should each be considered their own category for the purpose of searches. The way the tags are implied now, if one searches for big breasts they can get impossibly large breasts in the results and there is quite a difference between breasts the size of grapefruits and breasts the size of bean bag chairs.

I assume you plan to clean up the butt tags as well? They have also become too subjective over time.
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For starters, un-alias "hyper breasts" to be anything that’s more in diameter than half of the character’s body height.

If I were the monarch of DB, the threshold of "impossibly large" would be diameter exceeding half of the character’s torsos length (clavicles to caudal end of groin), and/or half of their arm length (shoulder to wrist). Similar relative measurement definitions can be made for larger or smaller sizes, whatever the community/powers-that-be decree.

As for "impossible", the current definition for breast impossibility is "so gigantic that it would be a detriment to their owners ability to breathe, stand up, or move their arms" and that’s what I’ve been following, especially the "breathe/stand up" part.

Whatever is chosen as the threshold of breast sizes, especially on the much contested huge/’impossible’ border, there will always be peeps who aren’t going to be happy with the definitions. Could it be helpful to have a non-independent "borderline impossibly large breasts" tag to serve as a sorting/filtering help for images that are hard to sort between the two categories? Such an image would always have both huge tag and impossible tag, and also the borderline tag so people can search/filter according to their preference.
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Unless you search for "big breasts, -huge breasts, -impossibly large breasts".
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Well I mean, for cocks and balls, we have hyper tag for anything from larger than the character (or usually at least larger than torso for those two) to the size of the universe.

However, I have seen astronomically large x
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Using the definitions that I proposed, "Impossibly Large Breasts" would have to be a minimum of as large as the owner’s body, so "Huge Breasts" would not be appropriate on those images.

So, that would be a big change from the current implications. If we keep the current implications, then the definitions for Big and Huge would have to use "at least as large as …" terminology, so that larger sizes would be appropriate for the definition.

But, I agree that a search for "Huge Breasts" should not include "Impossibly Large". Because they aren’t.
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Well, can we please unalias hyper breasts/breasts larger than body from impossibly large breasts?

and probably re-alias the second into the first.

Makes no sense for breasts to randomly be the exception to hyper > impossible large

(but generally still implying impossibly large…since they’re impossibly large. Perhaps that part could be changed…)
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Your proposed descriptions are a good start but it may be difficult to judge in some cases whether a character could wrap their arms around their breasts. We should try to make the tag descriptions as simple as possible so everyone understands them. I think at least head size would be a more feasible definition for huge breasts.

I don’t see why "as large as the owner’s body" should be the minimum for impossibly large breasts when no human has breasts even half the size of their body.

Depending on how many images have breasts significantly larger than their owner’s body, like the size of a house or greater, it may be worth creating a new tag for those that go beyond the merely anatomically impossible.
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"Beyond merely anatomically impossible"’s what hyper is used for.
When I picture impossibly large without hyper, I usually imagine (of the examples given)

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Yes, I would say those classify as impossibly large, as well as most everything Badgerben draws. I support unaliasing hyper breasts from impossibly large breasts but we are going to need to decide where to draw the line between the two.
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I’m all for the proposed tag definitions and uses. Perhaps the detailed description should underline that the tags cover a scale of sizes for clarification, but otherwise it seems fair to me.

To the criticism of what impossible constitutes, the problem we’ve been seeing is users neglecting the huge breasts tag. The way some have been using it, it may as well be aliased to either of the different breast size tags. As it stands, too many of the larger scale breast tags have been aliased into impossibly large breasts and it now covers too wide of a spectrum. I’ll forgo bringing up unusual cases of women in real life with breast sizes comparable to what some have been tagging impossibly large and just point out that the tag would be better served as mile marker for scale like what has been proposed as trying to agree on what everyone finds to be an acceptable definition of impossible seems to be part of the spark for this conversation.

As for un-aliasing some of the other size tags; it could work and be better served to section off radical breast size fetishes of varying spectrum. My concern, however is that we might just end up back here arguing about what constitutes what.
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Probably, but a system that functions inconsistently is better than a system that consistently doesn’t function.

I’d say some thumbnails in the descriptions would clear up a good bit of it. Pictures catch eyes more readily than words and are easier to remember.
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Too much spectrum in the proposed tags. For example, proposed "big breasts" will be applying to (all IRL NSFW) this, this, and this and I want only see the first one while filtering the latter. Oh, and your definition for big breasts would cause contention issues if the character is wearing a bra and is drawn well, because in that case the breasts are squished together and do not protrude past the torso.

Alternate proposition:
Big breasts:
Breasts that are individually large, but smaller than their owner’s head.

Huge breasts:
Breasts that are individually as large or larger than their owner’s head, but smaller than their torso.

Impossibly large breasts:
Breasts that are individually larger than their owner’s torso, but smaller than (half?) their body.

Hyper breasts:
Breasts individually larger than (half) their owner’s body. In other words, anything larger than "impossibly large breasts".


I kiiiinda doubt that if someone is into breasts larger than their owner’s whole body they’ll need to differentiate between "body-sized" and "building-sized", so there isn’t much need for a tag for breasts even larger than "hyper breasts" and it can be open-ended.
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Thumbnails of images specifically created for illustrating the range? The images being the same character only with different breasts? Yapls.
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Still gathering data. It’s a surprisingly contentious tag.

Had a couple other tags that needed emergency cleaning in the meantime, but this is still on my back burner.
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Meanwhile I’m going to continue tagging breasts that are comparable in size to their owner’s head or larger as "huge breasts" for purposes of filtering that out.
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