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Site and Policy » Downvotes / Hiding Survey » Post 987

Durabiznik

@Background Pony #65F3  
@Krickis
And so we come to some of the fundamental questions of this thread.
 
I’m heavily against tampering with the current system (aside from the addition of the hide feature), but no, there’s no question about that, let alone a fundamental one. If you dislike a theme strongly enough to downvote any picture you come across that features it, you should hide it instead. While I agree that the theme of a picture can be included in a judgement about its intrinsic “artistic value” or “quality,” there’s no question about what the encouraged behavior is here, so you’re beating a horse that has never been alive to begin with.
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Site and Policy » Downvotes / Hiding Survey » Post 596

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@TexasUberAlles  
Only if you consider positivity and negativity to carry equal weight, and both the community in general and the moderation team here are pretty clear in their expression that positivity is something they want to actively encourage over negativity.
 
I find it frankly bizarre that we’re seriously discussing ways to skew a neutral rating system (that is already seeing an overwhelming use of the upvote in favor of the downvote) to prevent “expressions of negativity.” It’s like I died and woke up in some kind of nightmarish postmodern social experiment.
 
The most grotesque moment so far was when Ferrotter spoke his mind that “[downvotes are] basically a license to violate rule 0.”
 
@Ferrotter  
Wrong. That is exactly the point of the rating system.
 
No. A +1/-1 system with every user being allowed to vote can never, ever be the kind of system you’re making it out to be, unless you plan on becoming God and policing the thoughts of every voter to weed out anyone who doesn’t meet your subjective criteria for “judging art for its quality instead of being a cranky-wanky meanie-weenie and flinging feces all around you because you’re an evil person who hates fun.”
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Durabiznik

@Background Pony #04F1  
Movies, music, TV, magazines, newspapers, etc. are all judged primarily based on their viewership numbers, ie sales.
 
Yes, a terrible system vulnerable to explosive positive feedback (“a bestseller!!!11”), where your opinion on the subject doesn’t matter - once you viewed it, you’re a part of the advertising. What was your point again?
 
Clicking a down button is just lazy, anonymous slacktivism.
 
Oh, wait. Wait. I need to sort this out. So because there’s no effective means to express a negative opinion on a piece of mainstream media unless you’re a big deal in the social media world, doing so within an ecosystem that ALLOWS you to do so is… lazy, anonymous slacktivism?
 
…okay? I guess?  
Yeah, no, you lost me.
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Site and Policy » Downvotes / Hiding Survey » Post 387

Durabiznik

@Ferrotter  
But you show me how I can distinguish “I don’t like this because your line work is jagged” from “lulz I downvoted you” or “you suck because I think you traced my boyfriend’s picture!!!1!!one!11!” or “I don’t like your subject matter but can’t be bothered to filter it or act like a grown-up and pass over it” or “how dare you ship my waifu with your OC!” Unless you actually type a comment, “I don’t like this because your line work is jagged,” you’ve said nothing. How do you even distinguish, “I’m mad because this troll image rustled my jimmies!” from “This isn’t even a decent troll image; OP totally missed the mark.”?
 
That was never the point of the rating system to begin with. It’s a rule of the thumb way to measure the average popularity of a picture among the user base. As long as every user only voted once, the system worked exactly as intended. Complaining about not knowing every single voter’s motivation is meaningless, the system was never meant to tell you that, and if you can’t live without knowing for sure, put a critique request in the commentary and you’re guaranteed to get a response from a significant portion the voters (people like to express their opinions). Demanding to know WHY a person downvoted before you consider their opinion valid (and stacking other hurdles in the way of downvoting), but never giving the heaps of upvotes a second thought, is fairly disingenuous, by the way.
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Durabiznik

@Ferrotter  
It’s basically a license to violate rule 0.
 
See, this is what I’m talking about. Downvoting is, by default, interpreted as insulting, attacking, antagonistic or trolling. You’re allowed to have any opinion, as long as it’s positive. If you have a negative opinion, you better explain yourself in the comments, and we better like your explanation based on our arbitrary criteria, or else! Is this how some artists view a significant portion of Derpi users? As a bitter mouthbreather out to bully them for no reason?
 
It’s breathtakingly asinine.
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Site and Policy » Downvotes / Hiding Survey » Post 357

Durabiznik

@Joey  
@Durabiznik
I have the feeling you are over-exaggerating the issue a little bit…
 
That’s honestly how the whole issue comes across. I can’t recall many places where any issue with a system like Derpi’s would even crop up. The system isn’t flawless and never will be. If people are abusing the system in a blatant manner such as creating multiple accounts or regimenting people for the purpose of downvoting a specific image or group of images, let the mod crew take action. Any policy change that makes the process of downvoting more involved is just concession to fee fees that’s making the system less objective instead of more.
 
@Dusk Raven  
…the latter is an unrealistic expectations I am not obligated to even consider (if not also hyperbole).
 
The latter is quite literally what this post was all about.
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Site and Policy » Downvotes / Hiding Survey » Post 349

Durabiznik

@bramblefrost  
This isn’t facebook, we’re not passive-aggressive family members.
 
In an environment where some artists are now apparently borderline suicidal due to red arrows, and other people are livid because images they like don’t have a 100% flawless like to dislike ratio, I think you’re being unduly optimistic.
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Site and Policy » Downvotes / Hiding Survey » Post 343

Durabiznik

@Cloppy_Hooves  
@Durabiznik
The whole point of ratings is to judge the quality of an image, not personal taste.
 
And how, exactly, do you propose we judge the quality of art without taking personal taste into account? If completely objective and detailed guidelines for judging art existed, why would we even judge it to begin with, with the quality or a lack thereof being self-evident, measurable and consistent from person to person?  
Anyway, according to the ratings, >99.76% out of well over a thousand people liked the picture. I’m not exactly sure I can spot the terrible abuse of the rating system here that offends you so much.
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Site and Policy » Downvotes / Hiding Survey » Post 325

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@Cloppy_Hooves  
This image has 3 downvotes at the time of my writing this. Really look at this art and let that sink in and try to convince yourself that those are genuine downvotes.
 
I have no trouble picturing three people disliking that picture. To illustrate, that’s roughly 0.24% of the total number of people who rated it. It’s one of the most universally liked pictures on the site. If you find the concept of even the slightest minority of other people disliking what you like so offensive that you have to post online about how absolutely mind-blowingly audacious it is of them, and that they’re surely just trolling, I suggest you sit down for a while and think hard about the definition of egocentrism.
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Durabiznik

@DrawyColours  
My human Big Mac picture has a negative score and my realistic drawing of my ponysona lying down on the bed also has a negative score and yet, I’ve worked pretty hard on those.
 
I find the style on both of these pictures genuinely repulsive and I would have downvoted them, had I ran across them some other time under different circumstances. I mean nothing personal by it. I noticed that all your other pictures where you employ different styles have an overwhelmingly positive upvote to downvote ratio, ruling out people bombing your art because they dislike you personally. So maybe you could try accepting that maybe people just, you know, don’t like one or two of your pictures, without meaning any offense by it and regardless of the time or effort you spent on them, instead of complaining about imaginary (at least in your case) slights such as “downvote abuse” and trying to curb down on them by imposing arbitrary regulations on downvoting.
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Site and Policy » Downvotes / Hiding Survey » Post 209

Durabiznik

@Meanlucario  
@Purple Flix
That doesn’t work because of the number of nice images downvoted because of something harmless, like a hijab.
 
This is a clear case of nuking the town to get rid of the rats.  
Might as well forgo any voting system whatsoever then, because some 0.0001% images are being downvoted instead of filtered by people who find the content controversial and this is, like, literal genocide.
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Durabiznik

@Background Pony #F047
 
You should have also pointed out that good quality art that has the misfortune of being vastly more recent or vastly less viewed than these examples will be, ironically enough, dwarfed in score by them. Any score system that is based on upvotes only is meaningless, might as well just keep favorites around for that purpose.
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Site and Policy » Downvotes / Hiding Survey » Post 131

Durabiznik

I use filter-by-score searches very often to great satisfaction.  
If artists want a feature that would hide a score from THEM, that’s fine, but preventing users from downvoting will, at least for the purpose of searching, effectively remove all distinction between good-but-new/good-but-obscure art, and poor art, as both will have accumulated roughly the same, relatively low, amount of upvotes. Hugbox features shouldn’t affect site functionality.
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Site and Policy » Introducing a New Design » Post 443

Durabiznik

The new style of viewing quoted posts is getting really annoying.  
When I’m following a conversation on page 15, I do NOT appreciate being taken back to a post on page 4 when I click on a quote.  
The pop-up was much more convenient.
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Site and Policy » Introducing a New Design » Post 319

Durabiznik

@Background Pony #717C  
Have you ever had a phone just end up not loading a bunch of elements on a webpage, and it looks like this weird blank slate? That’s what this new design reminds me of.
 
Precisely what I thought was happening on PC. Kept hitting F5 because it looked like the page always stopped loading halfway through for no apparent reason. Then it hit me it was probably an “upgrade,” because tons-of-huge-featureless-rectangles-with-invisible-borders is the new hot thing in website layout. Joy. Other sites at least allow me to use a legacy theme.
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Site and Policy » Introducing a New Design » Post 31

Durabiznik

It just looks… disjointed.  
At first I thought the site failed to load properly. After reloading it repeatedly I realized it’s supposed to look like that. I think that speaks for itself.
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